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#1121
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From: Huntsville, AL
What are your cam specs? How much vac do you pull at idle? Is it possible that its a combination of really good vacuum at idle and fairly large displacement that is making the air rip through the IAC?
Have you tried adjusting the throttle blade a touch, or is your IAC count where you want it once warm so you would rather not?
Full disclosure - I SUCK at tuning idle on a DBC set up... so theres that. lol
Have you tried adjusting the throttle blade a touch, or is your IAC count where you want it once warm so you would rather not?
Full disclosure - I SUCK at tuning idle on a DBC set up... so theres that. lol
Cold start idle is around 40kpa at 1150rpm and IAC wide open at 310. Warm idle is around 700rpm and 50kpa with IAC at ~70.
Yea my theory is the IAC is just small for this size engine with decent vacuum...not sure why everybody elses setup doesnt do the same thing though. I would call it the throttle body, but my nick williams TB did the same thing.
So how do you control idle rpm? Just with spark?
The entrance or exit?
By the way, you need to call your twin and harass him for not setting up a meet this year.
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I'd smooth and port both the inlet and outlet if the IAC area. If they air can go through there more smoothly, shouldn't be as loud. My old KB blower was same way at first start too.
#1126
Yea I know the cam specs... lol.
I was just pointing to the fact that I knew that mild of a cam with 402" would pull huge vacuum. I thought this would be your issue. that is a LOT of vac!!!
I'd bet you dont need anywhere near that much RPM at idle cold while pulling that much vacuum. Its a 'sweetheart' cam... i'd be looking to near stock idle RPM values. Back it down to say 950 and see if the problem goes away a little.
I was just pointing to the fact that I knew that mild of a cam with 402" would pull huge vacuum. I thought this would be your issue. that is a LOT of vac!!!
I'd bet you dont need anywhere near that much RPM at idle cold while pulling that much vacuum. Its a 'sweetheart' cam... i'd be looking to near stock idle RPM values. Back it down to say 950 and see if the problem goes away a little.
#1128
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Looks like the whipple bracket has the idlers about 4.25" apart, which explains why I cant get the 2 big pullies on there. Oh well, they wont match since I have to use the metco one on the right to clear the bracket, so much for symmetry.
Ill try porting the IAC entrance, couldnt hurt I suppose. I wonder if the 8.1L used the same IAC valve, seeing as how its a huge engine I didnt know if it would have a bigger one. Yea I probably could lower the cold idle rpm some...
I got to work on the HD tensioner some, since I got everything else working I may as well change it up and try to break it again. Heres the issue with using it and why I was asking so many questions to the Maggie guys:

It obviously needs to come way out so I had some spacers/shims made in 3/8", 1/8", and 1/16" (which I dont have yet) to see if I could get it right. I had holes drilled along the edge that lines up with the tensioner pin and are every 36 degrees to give some adjustability. Really this means any tensioner that shares that bolt circle can now be used.

Eventually I am going to get some 5/16" rod to pin them all together and into the accessory bracket so they dont rotate, but for now a sacrificed 5/16" bolt works just fine. I plan to weld them together once I finalize what I need.



And here it is installed,


A lesson I learned is to actually measure where the belt rides on each pulley vs where the end of the pulley is since some of them have thicker flanges. Based on using a steel straight edge and measuring to the belt, I have the alternator, tensioner, and crank within half a millimeter, and the blower pulley to those within probably 1mm. I got lazy and didnt check the PS pump to that since it has a lot of thrust clearance.
Also here are the results of some testing on the tensioners I did, thought it would be good to put here too.

I should start selling a kit to convert whipples to 8rib since so many of these parts are custom
Oh and the pulley on there is a 2.9" and should be around 13psi or so.
Ill try porting the IAC entrance, couldnt hurt I suppose. I wonder if the 8.1L used the same IAC valve, seeing as how its a huge engine I didnt know if it would have a bigger one. Yea I probably could lower the cold idle rpm some...
I got to work on the HD tensioner some, since I got everything else working I may as well change it up and try to break it again. Heres the issue with using it and why I was asking so many questions to the Maggie guys:

It obviously needs to come way out so I had some spacers/shims made in 3/8", 1/8", and 1/16" (which I dont have yet) to see if I could get it right. I had holes drilled along the edge that lines up with the tensioner pin and are every 36 degrees to give some adjustability. Really this means any tensioner that shares that bolt circle can now be used.

Eventually I am going to get some 5/16" rod to pin them all together and into the accessory bracket so they dont rotate, but for now a sacrificed 5/16" bolt works just fine. I plan to weld them together once I finalize what I need.



And here it is installed,


A lesson I learned is to actually measure where the belt rides on each pulley vs where the end of the pulley is since some of them have thicker flanges. Based on using a steel straight edge and measuring to the belt, I have the alternator, tensioner, and crank within half a millimeter, and the blower pulley to those within probably 1mm. I got lazy and didnt check the PS pump to that since it has a lot of thrust clearance.
Also here are the results of some testing on the tensioners I did, thought it would be good to put here too.

I should start selling a kit to convert whipples to 8rib since so many of these parts are custom
Oh and the pulley on there is a 2.9" and should be around 13psi or so.










