Tuning, Diagnostics, Electronics, and Wiring HP Tuners | EFILive | Hand Held Programmers | Stand Alone PCM's | Electronics | Wiring Diagrams

wierd bank 1 ltft

Old Aug 11, 2008 | 12:07 AM
  #1  
mcfarlnd's Avatar
Thread Starter
Un-Registered User
iTrader: (15)
 
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 1,318
Likes: 10
From: DFW
Default wierd bank 1 ltft

i have been trouble shooting a problem with my ltft for about a month. i am getting a +8 to +15 in b1 while bank 2 hangs out around +1- -5. the wierd part is this only happens from 65-70mph at 1800-2000 rpm in od with the tc locked. if i drop her into third while maintaining this speed it goes away and trims drop to +-2.

heres what i have done so far with no joy

cold air intake checked
new w/b o2 sensor
reprogrammed w/b
new percys manifold gakets(deadsoft aluminum)
swapped o2s (problem stayed in bank 1)
swapped plug wires
checked plugs and gaps
fixed ground on the back of the block(the one on top of block next to cam sensor)
seafoam
swapped injectors
checked pushrods
rechecked the torque on the header bolts(again)

got any suggestions besides a 500 shot of juice to blow this fugger up?
Attached Files
File Type: hpl
wierdfueltrim.hpl (464.0 KB, 111 views)
File Type: hpl
wierdfueltrim1.hpl (350.3 KB, 90 views)
File Type: hpt
latest and greatest gt-1.hpt (573.6 KB, 150 views)

Last edited by mcfarlnd; Aug 13, 2008 at 11:10 PM.
Reply
Old Aug 11, 2008 | 12:32 AM
  #2  
thunder550's Avatar
High on diesel fumes
iTrader: (70)
 
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 12,658
Likes: 3
From: Phoenix, AZ
Default

Maybe an exhaust leak on bank 1?
Reply
Old Aug 11, 2008 | 12:42 AM
  #3  
Wheatley's Avatar
Truck Sponsor
iTrader: (12)
 
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 3,286
Likes: 2
From: Sealy/Katy TX
Default

Bank1 exhaust leak,check close
Reply
Old Aug 11, 2008 | 12:51 AM
  #4  
mcfarlnd's Avatar
Thread Starter
Un-Registered User
iTrader: (15)
 
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 1,318
Likes: 10
From: DFW
Default

the only place it could leak is at the gasket at the head (replaced) and the o2 sensor. (ive checked a million times and even sealed it in for extra insurance) both are good. the headers i have place the bank 1 sensor in the #1 primary and bank 2 in the #8 primary before the collector.

Last edited by mcfarlnd; Aug 11, 2008 at 08:18 AM.
Reply
Old Aug 11, 2008 | 01:20 AM
  #5  
thunder550's Avatar
High on diesel fumes
iTrader: (70)
 
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 12,658
Likes: 3
From: Phoenix, AZ
Default

How far before the collector? It's possible to have a leak slightly downstream of the sensor cause lean readings.
Reply
Old Aug 11, 2008 | 05:11 AM
  #6  
Grumpy5.3's Avatar
TECH Fanatic
iTrader: (14)
 
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 1,014
Likes: 0
From: South Georgia
Default

what kind of headers do you have?
Reply
Old Aug 11, 2008 | 08:16 AM
  #7  
mcfarlnd's Avatar
Thread Starter
Un-Registered User
iTrader: (15)
 
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 1,318
Likes: 10
From: DFW
Default

Originally Posted by thunder550
How far before the collector? It's possible to have a leak slightly downstream of the sensor cause lean readings.
a good foot or so before the collector. the w/b is directly behind the collector on the same side and it is reading 13s.

Originally Posted by Grumpy5.3
what kind of headers do you have?
aem brute force

i have a log from this morning and ill post it up when i get a chance. im on a work computer.
Reply
Old Aug 11, 2008 | 08:45 AM
  #8  
KySilverado's Avatar
TECH Senior Member
iTrader: (7)
 
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 5,446
Likes: 7
From: Central Kentucky
Default

Possibly a single injector dumping more fuel? Doesn't make sense at a certain spot in rpm range and tcc condition.

My second guess would be heat. NB o2's read different at different temps. Possibly at that rpm range that o2 is getting cold, low exhaust flow, compared to the other. Wrap that collector maybe.

It is not unusual to see one bank vs other with different fuel trims. Don't know if that much.
Reply
Old Aug 11, 2008 | 09:08 AM
  #9  
mcfarlnd's Avatar
Thread Starter
Un-Registered User
iTrader: (15)
 
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 1,318
Likes: 10
From: DFW
Default

added the log to the main post. dc justin runs the same headers and he doesnt have this problem so, i dont think its the heat. it is kinda doing it in other spots now but, not as much as 55mph and up
Reply
Old Aug 11, 2008 | 11:39 AM
  #10  
BlackGMC's Avatar
Resident Retard
iTrader: (31)
 
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 17,216
Likes: 20
From: Fort Worth - TX
Default

After making a histogram that has LTFT Bank1 and LTFT Bank2 seperated, it looks like you might have a vacuum leak on one side... Notice the difference between the sides... Leaky intake perhaps or a leak around the injectors.... I would log the trims at idle and spray the crap out of it with some carb cleaner and see if the trims change..... Looking at the histogram the problem is across the board, not just at a certain MPH...

VE Bank1 LTFT


VE Bank2 LTFT



MAF Bank1 LTFT


MAF Bank2 LTFT

Last edited by BlackGMC; Aug 11, 2008 at 11:53 AM.
Reply

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:09 PM.