Why are 5 pinion planets such a high price upgrade?
03-24-2011, 05:22 PM
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Why are 5 pinion planets such a high price upgrade?
I see most builders charge an arm and a leg just for the 5 pinion upgrade.. why? Ive seen the planets on the net for pretty cheap, but to include these in a built trans, its a fortune. I know of one builder that will use them for pretty cheap, but hes not a sponsor. It there some extensive process to install them in place of the 4 pinions?
03-24-2011, 05:38 PM
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Mainly its because any reputable builder will only use GM planets...And they are very pricey from them as with most semi complex oem parts. The "5 pinion" planetary gears you saw for cheap are not oem and are most likely modified 4 pinions...which dont hold up well...I bought a new (not rebuilt) aftermarket 5 pinion planet, and it was missind a few lubricating grooves that are machined from the factory ( held up to my 325 hp 350 tbi) ......Good parts cost$$$$$$
03-24-2011, 05:47 PM
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Ive seen some cheap 5 pinions for ~$70 and the GMs from $200/ piece, but (as an example.. NOT A DIG) on Performabuilts site on their level 3 is states:
That, to me, means aftermarket and the price difference between the level 2 and level 3 is $800. the level 2 has 4 pinion planets.
Modified Reinforced OEM style five (5) pinion planetaries with a grooved sun gear for improved lubrication
03-24-2011, 06:14 PM
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true, but they also upgread the:
-Molded seal steel pistons
-Raybestos composite forward frictions
-A set of 8 RAYBESTOS STAGE 1 PERFORMANCE clutches with full thickness steels for High Impact Durability and Super Hold on the 2-3 shift
-Borg Warner 29 element dual cage sprag assembly, the strongest available
-The BEAST sun shell, considered unbreakable and will withstand the abuse levied in high horsepower extreme torque situations
-Ultra wide carbon composite 2-4 performance band with reinforced pin area to prevent tear through. This band will take the abuse and the heat.
-SUPERIOR/FAIRBANKS SUPER SERVO for maximum second gear hold (It also limits 3rd gear 3-4 clutch accumulation to aid in the 3-4 clutch apply)
-Sonnax Dual Piston Overdrive Servo (with the wide band to stand WOT overdrive if your PCM is set up to allow it)
-A Thirteen (13) vane pump with hardened rings and a full-time lube modification which assures maximum planetary life and cooling
-PerformaBuilt custom shift kit, a compilation of what we consider to be the best of several known kits and some unique modifications of our own
-Deep OEM pan and performance filter (Deep pan not available on the 700r4 unit)
Their level 3 is a bit stronger than the level 2 which is why the price difference and thats why I went with their level 3 from my procharger build
-Molded seal steel pistons
-Raybestos composite forward frictions
-A set of 8 RAYBESTOS STAGE 1 PERFORMANCE clutches with full thickness steels for High Impact Durability and Super Hold on the 2-3 shift
-Borg Warner 29 element dual cage sprag assembly, the strongest available
-The BEAST sun shell, considered unbreakable and will withstand the abuse levied in high horsepower extreme torque situations
-Ultra wide carbon composite 2-4 performance band with reinforced pin area to prevent tear through. This band will take the abuse and the heat.
-SUPERIOR/FAIRBANKS SUPER SERVO for maximum second gear hold (It also limits 3rd gear 3-4 clutch accumulation to aid in the 3-4 clutch apply)
-Sonnax Dual Piston Overdrive Servo (with the wide band to stand WOT overdrive if your PCM is set up to allow it)
-A Thirteen (13) vane pump with hardened rings and a full-time lube modification which assures maximum planetary life and cooling
-PerformaBuilt custom shift kit, a compilation of what we consider to be the best of several known kits and some unique modifications of our own
-Deep OEM pan and performance filter (Deep pan not available on the 700r4 unit)
Their level 3 is a bit stronger than the level 2 which is why the price difference and thats why I went with their level 3 from my procharger build
03-25-2011, 01:20 AM
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im currently running front/rear OEM 5 pinion gm planetarys // got them new from $200.. - can't say where//
*to me there well worth it along with my go fast parts that went into my tranny / i down shift all the time/ shifting almost at 7k- and no trouble at all..
- my friend bought after market(taiwan) 5 pinion, and lasted a couple of days on his tranny..
- you can tell right away a aftermarket 5 pinion planetary /from a OEM ..
-i agreed there overpriced , depends where you get them from.. I"ve seen them go for 600+ a set . . ..
- OEM should look like this..
*to me there well worth it along with my go fast parts that went into my tranny / i down shift all the time/ shifting almost at 7k- and no trouble at all..
- my friend bought after market(taiwan) 5 pinion, and lasted a couple of days on his tranny..
- you can tell right away a aftermarket 5 pinion planetary /from a OEM ..
-i agreed there overpriced , depends where you get them from.. I"ve seen them go for 600+ a set . . ..
- OEM should look like this..
03-25-2011, 11:27 AM
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true, but they also upgread the:
-Molded seal steel pistons
-Raybestos composite forward frictions
-A set of 8 RAYBESTOS STAGE 1 PERFORMANCE clutches with full thickness steels for High Impact Durability and Super Hold on the 2-3 shift
-Borg Warner 29 element dual cage sprag assembly, the strongest available
-The BEAST sun shell, considered unbreakable and will withstand the abuse levied in high horsepower extreme torque situations
-Ultra wide carbon composite 2-4 performance band with reinforced pin area to prevent tear through. This band will take the abuse and the heat.
-SUPERIOR/FAIRBANKS SUPER SERVO for maximum second gear hold (It also limits 3rd gear 3-4 clutch accumulation to aid in the 3-4 clutch apply)
-Sonnax Dual Piston Overdrive Servo (with the wide band to stand WOT overdrive if your PCM is set up to allow it)
-A Thirteen (13) vane pump with hardened rings and a full-time lube modification which assures maximum planetary life and cooling
-PerformaBuilt custom shift kit, a compilation of what we consider to be the best of several known kits and some unique modifications of our own
-Deep OEM pan and performance filter (Deep pan not available on the 700r4 unit)
Their level 3 is a bit stronger than the level 2 which is why the price difference and thats why I went with their level 3 from my procharger build
-Molded seal steel pistons
-Raybestos composite forward frictions
-A set of 8 RAYBESTOS STAGE 1 PERFORMANCE clutches with full thickness steels for High Impact Durability and Super Hold on the 2-3 shift
-Borg Warner 29 element dual cage sprag assembly, the strongest available
-The BEAST sun shell, considered unbreakable and will withstand the abuse levied in high horsepower extreme torque situations
-Ultra wide carbon composite 2-4 performance band with reinforced pin area to prevent tear through. This band will take the abuse and the heat.
-SUPERIOR/FAIRBANKS SUPER SERVO for maximum second gear hold (It also limits 3rd gear 3-4 clutch accumulation to aid in the 3-4 clutch apply)
-Sonnax Dual Piston Overdrive Servo (with the wide band to stand WOT overdrive if your PCM is set up to allow it)
-A Thirteen (13) vane pump with hardened rings and a full-time lube modification which assures maximum planetary life and cooling
-PerformaBuilt custom shift kit, a compilation of what we consider to be the best of several known kits and some unique modifications of our own
-Deep OEM pan and performance filter (Deep pan not available on the 700r4 unit)
Their level 3 is a bit stronger than the level 2 which is why the price difference and thats why I went with their level 3 from my procharger build
You can only compare one trans to the other if the only thing changed is the planetary sets.
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.. and I seriously do not have a need for that kind of deal. I probably dont even need the 5 pinion planets, but just like to have them because they are considered an "upgrade", but they only come in the "race" type trannys. My truck will never be "fast" with the 12" lift and 37" (maybe 40" soon) tires. GM developed them for the 65e behind the 6L/ 65e combo for a reason.