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Old May 17, 2006 | 02:25 PM
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http://www.ecofuelsystems.com/

there is a big debate going on over at GMFS about this... thoughts? opinions?...

http://www.gmfullsize.com/forum/showthread.php?t=54038

im very skeptical, as i am with ALL these fuel atomization systems....

some guys on GMFS are actually testing it.
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Old May 17, 2006 | 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by onyx
i need to know what exactly the device is doing to the fuel... and what exactly is it?... a filter?... something like a catalytic convereter, but for fuel?
Originally Posted by onyx
when the fuel hits the injectors, whats it matter anyways? its going to come out the same as before.

same way that tornado thing was supposed to change air flow... its still going to be sucked into the manifold and distributed to the cylinders... the same way it was before.
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Originally Posted by ECOTAZ
Let's see if I can clear this up a bit. Our unit does NOT Vaporize the fuel, it does NOT atomize the fuel and it does NOT break up the molecules. That is the other guys that do that. We simply take the fuel and crack the hydro-carbon chains (clumps of molecules) into smaller chains so that the carburetor or injectors make a finer spray. We create more of a burn surface of the fuel itself when the injectors or carbs. vaporize your fuel. This causes the fuel to burn more comlplete causing lower emissions. This also causes a hotter burn which heat transfers to power and that is where increased performance comes from. So if you are doing the same performance as you did before the ECO-System it will take less fuel to do the same job so that is where your fuel savings comes from. This helps with the hesitation at take-offs and the clatter during heavy accellaration due to low vapor pressure fuels.
Vapor pressure is the ability of a liquid going into a gaseous state.
The product does work!
Has been proven throughout many areas in the U.S.
I always get asked "Will it work on my engine with my fuel?" and the answer is always yes. All we do is enhance whatever fuel you are using.
You still need to do the regular maintenance on your vehicle such as tune-ups, oil changes, and filter changes.
You never have to do maintenance to or replace the ECO-System unit.
Let me know how we can help.
Ben
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Old May 17, 2006 | 03:29 PM
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sounds like something i'd stay away from.
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Old May 17, 2006 | 08:08 PM
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seems like something for the mythbuster's to tackle again
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Old May 18, 2006 | 12:53 AM
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I stated my opinion
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Old May 18, 2006 | 12:59 AM
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I have said nothin on GMFS only because i think its BS. If tester think it does goos for them...just too many things to consider each tank.Hell my mileage goes from anywhere between 320-513.....all city all highway....how hard i drive it that tank...did i top it off a full gallon after the pump stops...did i drive 50/50city/highway....its really just to hard to tell to say yes i got better gas mileage....BS IMO!
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Old May 18, 2006 | 01:40 AM
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PURE BULL ****

I cant rant enough about this. In simple carbon cracking is an endothermic reaction. You must put energy into the system to get the reaction. All a catalyst does is facilitate the reaction lowering the required energy, not eliminate the required energy. The catalyst also gets 'used' in the reaction and will require maintenance to continue facilitating the reaction. They claim its maintenance free.

Im having a hard time not to pound on my key board as this is such bad science.
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Old May 18, 2006 | 03:06 AM
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I spoke with Ben on the phone today and he is going to send me one to test (free of course). I have a map and a custom PID I found on the EFILive forum set up to plot MPG dependent on vehicle speed and grams/cyl. Also have a map set up for RPM vs grams/cyl. I am running a continuous log right now on this tank of gas that I'm on, and once I get the unit installed I will run another continuous log on that tank as well and compare the differences. This should eliminate driving style differences, because x g/cyl at a certain speed and RPM is x g/cyl. I don't care about comparing how many miles per tank of gas I get one way or the other, but I think these tables will show whether there is truth in his system or not.

Anyone think this is a good way to test it? Should I be using MAP pressure instead of grams/cyl? Anything else that I should or shouldn't be logging and plotting?

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Old May 18, 2006 | 03:17 AM
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BTW....the MPG PID is calculated as follows, if it makes any difference:

{SAE.VSS.mph}/({GM.INJFLOW.lbpm} *{GM.IBPW1}* {SAE.RPM} * 4 / 6250 )
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Old May 18, 2006 | 09:44 AM
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chris, i would much rather take your word over Ben's. he seems to be more argumentative than helpful... especially since you have a radix and same climate as me.
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