Onyx,

The dude never answered my post. He just side stepped it and went back into his infomercial.

Any of you guys ever see that infomercial for the Turbonator? They just as much proof as this guy did. And we all know how well those work.

 

why waste your time?

 

with the way that guy is acting, even if his product does prove to work... i dont want him to have my money.

 

Cause it's free and a couple of the other members over there are saying that it works. Nobody is offering up proof though, all I hear is "it feels better" or "I got xxx miles per tank before, and xxx miles per tank after." That is all subjective, and even though they say that they are not altering their driving habits, there is no way that each tank of gas they run through is driven exactly the same. I want to do this in a manner that eliminates driving style and has some sort of real numbers to back it up, such as injector flow rate or duty cycle. People have also mentioned that it may lean out the AFR, I am running in open loop so any change in AFR will show as well, the computer won't compensate for it.

More than anything, it just pisses me off when both sides argue without either one having firm numbers or data to go off. It's all a bunch of speculation, and as I said in my post over at GMFS, that doesn't get anyone anywhere. I believe I have the capability (as does anyone with the right logging software) to put up real world test numbers. I don't care if it proves him right or wrong, I just want to see some real data.

 

yeah, i just read where some of the guys over there are paying somwhere around 275

 

Just edited my post - added a bunch of stuff.

 

im nut buying any of it until I see some results of at least 2-3 months.

 

its not my fault the dude has no way of backing his claims...

 

Not blaming you for anything, just making the comment that I see a lot of threads where people argue something based on theories and opinions rather than facts and data. Like I said before, I am skeptical too, but I am going to be patient and see what the numbers tell me.

I think it's ridiculous that he is arguing as well, if I were him I would let the discussion go on without me, and send out the free test units a decent sized group of people, and let them do the speaking. If he really has a good product it will speak for itself once the results come back.

I would also prefer that the things that I post over here on PT.net stay over here, I consider this site to be kind of a safe haven away from the discussion going on over there and since he is a paying sponsor over there I can see things getting very politically out of hand quickly. I'm not interested in joining in the argument from either perspective, just want to be able to ask questions about methodology over here and have them answered objectively, without personal opinion as to the validity of his claims.

 

Well said.

Every bit of chemistry I have studied (and I have studied a lot of chemistry) says that it wont work.

But, I will now shut up until I hear your results.