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Old Jul 10, 2022 | 05:38 AM
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JMHO - killer flowing set of heads... would be a bummer to not get the most out of them. I have an 04 LQ4 swapped into my 01. Stock 317s currently, with an EPS 214/220 .598/.604 111+2. It drives/tows nice, signs off early though. It is a cam geared towards a 4.8/5.3 with a 3500 stall, by the description - although I expected it to not be so mild in my 6.0L Go figure) I have a stock 80E/converter in my truck and it's fine. (stock 80E converter will flash to around 2400-2500 by my logs)

With that said, I will be installing a set of PRC Stage 2.5 59cc 706/862 heads, and already have a larger cam - 224/232, similar lift to my current cam, 114+2 LSA. I currently have a TBSS intake manifold and a NW 92mm TB on the truck - even with my current "baby" cam - it liked the upgrade. I'm switching the intake/TB to a FAST LSXRT and NW 102mm TB when I change the heads and cam. (Got a crackhead deal on them NIB) I'm running 31lb/hr 8.1L non marine injectors, swapping to 52lb/hr Gen 4 EV6 6.2L flex fuel injectors when I swap the top end.

If you are going through the effort, step up the camshaft, upgrade the intake manifold to let it breathe, and get a converter to match. You'll still be able to tow, and it won't drive horrible.

Thanks for the info! Im definitely upgrading the cam, I have made my mind up at this point since I will be in it. If it will put out usable/strong power up until about 6k-6.5k I will be plenty happy. It’s a daily driver and honestly rarely see’s above about 4k but definitely see’s a lot lower daily driver rpm’s. Thats why I’m hesitant to go “all out” and potentially sacrifice my lower-mid range power for a lot of upper end power that I will not use often. Im kinda leaning on the summit cam(its actually in my cart on their site right now)that was recommended previously.
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Old Jul 10, 2022 | 10:21 AM
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Thanks for the info! Im definitely upgrading the cam, I have made my mind up at this point since I will be in it. If it will put out usable/strong power up until about 6k-6.5k I will be plenty happy. It’s a daily driver and honestly rarely see’s above about 4k but definitely see’s a lot lower daily driver rpm’s. Thats why I’m hesitant to go “all out” and potentially sacrifice my lower-mid range power for a lot of upper end power that I will not use often. Im kinda leaning on the summit cam(its actually in my cart on their site right now)that was recommended previously.
By specs, I like the looks of that Summit cam too. In addition to that custom grind 224/232 cam, I have a Lil Choper cam. I'm going to flip a coin most likely and install one of them. Something in that range isn't a "big" cam in a 6L. If you were doing something like a 238/244-ish range cam, I'd agree that it's a tad big for a daily.

My truck is a daily right now until I go through everything on my 2500HD. Even then, I will likely drive my RCSB at least once a week.
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Old Jul 10, 2022 | 03:11 PM
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Just as a side note, i do have 3.73 gears in my truck. Something like 4.10’s would be better but im not digging into the gears until i have too.

Also, with my heads, and potentially running the cam Summit advised, would a compression ratio of around 11.5:1 be fairly doable on 93 pump? Gas quality around here is pretty good as well.
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Old Jul 11, 2022 | 07:16 AM
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It should be, I would like to see that Summit cam on a tighter LSA with less advance ground into it. By the specs, it appears to have -2 overlap.
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Old Jul 11, 2022 | 07:42 AM
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It should be, I would like to see that Summit cam on a tighter LSA with less advance ground into it. By the specs, it appears to have -2 overlap.

If im understanding correctly, with the summit cam, with that LSA and advance ground into it won’t that help keep the power a little lower in the rpm range?
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Old Jul 11, 2022 | 05:44 PM
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Also, found out i have the 38lb injectors from deacsthwerks(probably spelled that worng). Are they still on the small side for this build? The next step up would be 44lb injectors.
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Also, found out i have the 38lb injectors from deacsthwerks(probably spelled that worng). Are they still on the small side for this build? The next step up would be 44lb injectors.
38s on Gasoline should be fine, E85 - not so much. As for the cam, as I understand it - negative overlap helps build compression, positive will bleed it off so to speak. That was an old trick with iron head SBC/BBC engines that were on the ragged edge of static compression and octane - run a cam with some overlap to bleed some off. They didn't have the quench or combustion chamber efficiency of the modern engines. In my head I just thought 11.5:1 SCR and a 4000+ lb truck might be iffy on pump 93. I could totally be wrong and off base, just thinking out loud. My combination will yield 10.5:1 SCR and my 224/232 custom grind has 0 overlap. The cam and heads I am using came off of a friend's Gen IV 5.3L, it was 10.75:1 SCR. Slightly heavier truck than mine and smaller cubes, but it was fine on pump 93.

I like this one, 6 degrees of overlap - https://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-8707r1

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/c...make/chevrolet - 3 degrees of overlap

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/l...make/chevrolet - 6 degrees of overlap

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/h...make/chevrolet - 5 degrees of overlap

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/b...make/chevrolet - 2.5 degrees of overlap

You get the gist... several grinds available.
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I've got some 70lb injectors if your interested.
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Originally Posted by 86 IROC
38s on Gasoline should be fine, E85 - not so much. As for the cam, as I understand it - negative overlap helps build compression, positive will bleed it off so to speak. That was an old trick with iron head SBC/BBC engines that were on the ragged edge of static compression and octane - run a cam with some overlap to bleed some off. They didn't have the quench or combustion chamber efficiency of the modern engines. In my head I just thought 11.5:1 SCR and a 4000+ lb truck might be iffy on pump 93. I could totally be wrong and off base, just thinking out loud. My combination will yield 10.5:1 SCR and my 224/232 custom grind has 0 overlap. The cam and heads I am using came off of a friend's Gen IV 5.3L, it was 10.75:1 SCR. Slightly heavier truck than mine and smaller cubes, but it was fine on pump 93.

I like this one, 6 degrees of overlap - https://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-8707r1

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/c...make/chevrolet - 3 degrees of overlap

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/l...make/chevrolet - 6 degrees of overlap

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/h...make/chevrolet - 5 degrees of overlap

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/b...make/chevrolet - 2.5 degrees of overlap

You get the gist... several grinds available.

Thanks for the info! Im really liking the summit 8720r1. Just a touch bigger than what I currently have but a decent amount of extra lift.

It would be awesome if I could stay with my 38lb injectors and save that money but I really dont want to find out on the dyno that I’m getting enough fuel.
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I've got some 70lb injectors if your interested.

I appreciate it but wouldn’t 70’s be a lot for what I need?
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