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Old Mar 20, 2020 | 02:47 PM
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Well I guess if you want me to explain it while disregarding the facts that:
  • The F150 has same coefficient in drag compared to a 23 year old Buick (albeit higher effective area), so not as much as a brick as one would think
...if we should ignore all that, then it must be the magic of turbo.
lmao, I didnt expect that, and frankly Im scared to fact check

Turbos arent magic, they do increase VE! http://www.ijmer.com/papers/Vol3_Issue2/AM32674677.pdf

If I am not mistaken, there was a 6% VE increase as found in this paper, but disclaimer: a lot of what they said I didnt really comprehend

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Old Mar 20, 2020 | 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by 68Formula
Correct, that is where you would see improvement for two reasons. Under part throttle acceleration, the engine can use the energy from the exhaust (via the turbo) therefore requiring not having to work quite as hard (this changes though when you go heavy throttle and transition into high fuel enrichment to protect the catalyst and cylinders from excessive heat) - basically light boost. And secondly from the fact that you can get away with less displacement and few cylinders (less friction).

Although comparing a 6 speed all steel body to a 10 speed aluminum body might not be fair comparison as to how much the engine size and turbo effect performance. :-)
I am well aware of where the advantages and disadvantages are, I’m just a little bit salty as GM needs to get off their *** and fix their problems instead of continuing to sweep them under the rug. Mainly DOD, and garbage programing because they are afraid of someone breaking their substandard ****. Rant over. Lol.

mind you, my Denali is my baby and it’s a GM. I just get frustrated with any of the new GM’s.
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Old Mar 20, 2020 | 05:36 PM
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Wow, thats a lot of responses real fast. To clarify, this is still just an early plan, I wanted to know the margins I was playing with, if anyone has done this with a 1st gen LS. In theory, you should be able to put up *some* boost before knocking, otherwise as soon as your fuel degrades at all youd have the problem NA. The resounding answer seems to be its a dumb idea to try, and maybe one day if I have a junk LS Ill try it for my own curiosity but it looks like the new plan is to do the less fun thing and buy something with better economy.
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Old Mar 20, 2020 | 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by smokinlmm
You can afford a turbo kit and turbo but not the fuel that it requires? I smell a troll...
When you're looking at $5 a gallon, 15mpg, and 400 miles a week every bit counts.
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Old Mar 20, 2020 | 05:45 PM
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Buy something with better econ for sure
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Old Mar 21, 2020 | 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by CrazyCanuck317
Wow, thats a lot of responses real fast. To clarify, this is still just an early plan, I wanted to know the margins I was playing with, if anyone has done this with a 1st gen LS. In theory, you should be able to put up *some* boost before knocking, otherwise as soon as your fuel degrades at all youd have the problem NA. The resounding answer seems to be its a dumb idea to try, and maybe one day if I have a junk LS Ill try it for my own curiosity but it looks like the new plan is to do the less fun thing and buy something with better economy.
There will be areas in the rpm range where this is true. However around peak torque, you are going to have detonation issues combining peak cylinder fill with some boost on top. If you want to spray a 50/50 mixture of methanol and water, you could probably support some boost. I have gone through this exact same dilemma, I'm not paying up for 93 octane because it's expensive around here and it's only needed WOT. The rest of the time, in cruise, I'm just wasting the fuel cost. I drive about 25k to 30k miles a year, so the EXTRA cost of 93 is about $2k per year, that is significant. I think your only two options are 87 while spraying some meth/water mixture or convert to flex fuel to run E85. I decided to run E85 because if the meth/water spray controller fails, I would probably nuke a piston on just 87 WOT near peak torque. When I can't find E85, I suck it up and buy 93.
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Old Mar 21, 2020 | 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by CrazyCanuck317
........but it looks like the new plan is to do the less fun thing and buy something with better economy.
If it's economy that you are after and have spare cash right now, put in a Cummins 2.8 kit engine. You will get excellent fuel mileage, you will have a turbo for bragging rights, and when you are ready all you will need is a tune to get the power boost that you dream of.

I wish GM sold a kit four cylinder Duramax
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Old Mar 21, 2020 | 03:21 PM
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first off, look up a dynamic compression ratio calculator and input your specifications in there.

then alter the static compression ratio

if it is pinging, retard the spark run different plugs increase intake cooling
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Old Mar 21, 2020 | 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeGyver
If it's economy that you are after and have spare cash right now, put in a Cummins 2.8 kit engine. You will get excellent fuel mileage, you will have a turbo for bragging rights, and when you are ready all you will need is a tune to get the power boost that you dream of.

I wish GM sold a kit four cylinder Duramax
Hmmm...I wonder how hard it'd be to put one of those in a car or maybe SUV..Would be a fun project for sure.
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Old Mar 22, 2020 | 06:21 AM
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5 dollar gas??? WTF are you talking about, oil is 19 dollars a barrel... Should be a lot less than 5 bucks. I still say troll...
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