FI Technical Discussuion to End All! 2nd try :)
#91
Originally Posted by moregrip
question?
is there any real interest in the more technical side of things?
is there any real interest in the more technical side of things?
We can discuss the compression end of it more but after doing some logging today I was reminded that my IATs would go up around 10*C during a short WOT run but they would increase 10-20* more while shutdown or idling. So unless you keep moving, you are starting out in the hole for the next run. Are some FI systems more affected by heat soak than others? What can we do to mitigate this factor?
#92
Originally Posted by mjhoward
What is bad is that is one situation that changing the factory emission system would improve emissions.
#93
Originally Posted by DrX
Let's continue on with the heat issue. As you mentioned there are several sources of heat including compression(and where it takes place), friction. recycling(roots), heat soak, etc.
We can discuss the compression end of it more but after doing some logging today I was reminded that my IATs would go up around 10*C during a short WOT run but they would increase 10-20* more while shutdown or idling. So unless you keep moving, you are starting out in the hole for the next run. Are some FI systems more affected by heat soak than others? What can we do to mitigate this factor?
We can discuss the compression end of it more but after doing some logging today I was reminded that my IATs would go up around 10*C during a short WOT run but they would increase 10-20* more while shutdown or idling. So unless you keep moving, you are starting out in the hole for the next run. Are some FI systems more affected by heat soak than others? What can we do to mitigate this factor?
by spraying methanal(not as my main fuel) right before the TB, my consistancy seems to have gone way up. i can come right off the highway and pull up and make a run or sit in the lanes and watch my iat's creep up and either way i get prety consistant results. before i might see .5sec slower time when it was nice and heatsoaked like iat's starting 40deg over ambiant. but now i dont see much change at all.
if you dont want to consider meth or on a radix it is hard to find the right place to inject it then some time figureing out how to keep the iat's as low as you can before the run would net some good results. stuff like a larger heat exchanger, ducting or airdam to make sure the air being pulled thru the heat exchanger is fresh and not recycled out of the engine compartment. fresh air into the air filter if practical but this wouldn't be as important as a nice big heat exchanger with fresh air being drawn thru it.
#94
First Hand Experience with IAT's and Radix:
Heat Soak has never been an issue for me at the track, whether sitting in the lanes or running back to back to back to back. I'm constantly monitoring IAT's and for ***** and giggles I added a second heat exhanger and my average temp dropped about 3-10 degrees across the board. The biggest effect on IAT's that I've seen is being able to run an efan while staging, this keeps IAT's well in check. BlownChevy has his set up this way.
Heat Soak has never been an issue for me at the track, whether sitting in the lanes or running back to back to back to back. I'm constantly monitoring IAT's and for ***** and giggles I added a second heat exhanger and my average temp dropped about 3-10 degrees across the board. The biggest effect on IAT's that I've seen is being able to run an efan while staging, this keeps IAT's well in check. BlownChevy has his set up this way.
#95
Originally Posted by BlownChevy
Not that this is on topic....but the gains that you would recieve by removing the emission system would be minimal at best.
#96
Eaton/Radix:
VE represents the supercharger's ability to gulp air. The VE of a typical Roots charger will peak, then fall off slightly as speed increases, BUT, Eaton's(ala' radix) VE will climb steadily throughout the entire rpm range, food for thought maybe
VE represents the supercharger's ability to gulp air. The VE of a typical Roots charger will peak, then fall off slightly as speed increases, BUT, Eaton's(ala' radix) VE will climb steadily throughout the entire rpm range, food for thought maybe
#97
Originally Posted by moregrip
Eaton/Radix:
VE represents the supercharger's ability to gulp air. The VE of a typical Roots charger will peak, then fall off slightly as speed increases, BUT, Eaton's(ala' radix) VE will climb steadily throughout the entire rpm range, food for thought maybe
VE represents the supercharger's ability to gulp air. The VE of a typical Roots charger will peak, then fall off slightly as speed increases, BUT, Eaton's(ala' radix) VE will climb steadily throughout the entire rpm range, food for thought maybe

#99
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From: memphis tn
Originally Posted by moregrip
Eaton/Radix:
VE represents the supercharger's ability to gulp air. The VE of a typical Roots charger will peak, then fall off slightly as speed increases, BUT, Eaton's(ala' radix) VE will climb steadily throughout the entire rpm range, food for thought maybe
VE represents the supercharger's ability to gulp air. The VE of a typical Roots charger will peak, then fall off slightly as speed increases, BUT, Eaton's(ala' radix) VE will climb steadily throughout the entire rpm range, food for thought maybe

#100
Originally Posted by GMC_DUDE
MJHoward, you almost have me convinced to buy a 3.25" pulley from the company you specified earlier. Am I correct in that you ran such a pulley with the standard radix tune without issues? Thinking out loud here, my AFR in PE mode with the radix is 11:1, and was about 12.2:1 stock. Now with 11 psig boost instead of the current 8 psig, that translates into 25.7 psia instead of 22.7 psia, or 13.2% more air. Assuming worst case of no additional fuel, that would give an AFR of 12.45:1, or about where I was before. Of course in feedback mode, the loop should keep the AFR right at stoich, so fuel shouldn't be a problem. As to timing, the chart shows that my effective compression ratio will increase by about 2 points, so some timing reduction is probably in order. Is there enough span between the high and low octane tables to absorb this, or should the tables be retarded some, and if so, by what amount? I have HPTuners, so I can do this. Lastly, I am about due for some new spark plugs, so would it be wise to go one heat range colder?







