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Old Mar 18, 2008 | 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by r3dh4tch
I have been debating for some time on doing either a twin turbo setup or a single turbo setup on my 4.8l RCSB Sierra. I will probably keep the boost under 15psi most of the time because it's gong to be a stock bottom end. Now the turbos I have been looking at for a twin setup would be either gt-4288 or gt35r or borg warner s300's. If I decide to run a single it will most likely be a borg warner s472 or either a holset hx55. I would like to hear pros and cons against going twins or going single and why. I will likely be moving foward with buying a turbo/turbos within the month or sooner. I would like to have a setup I can grow into as well... not just something that is going to support what I have right now. I may eventually build a bigger cube engine or swap to a 6.0l.

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All of the turbos you mention are way too big for your application IMO. ESPECIALLY the choices for twins... a single GT4288 is too big IMO for your average 6.0L. A GT35r with the small housing (.81 A/R) would be a decent single imo but will likely lag a lot on the 4.8 (it is, as I recall, a race BB turbo with a 650ish hp cap) -- I'm not up on the BW sizing scheme, but I'm pretty sure a S400-72 is a T6 housing (read HUUUUUGE) and is a 1000hp capable thumper. The holset is designed for a 10-15l diesel IIRC.
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Old Mar 18, 2008 | 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Derek @ EDO

And basing those options around your budget.

BTW, alot of people have a 900HP goal on a 400HP budget.

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Well in your experience what is a 900HP budget?

And what is a 400HP budget?

For a 6.0L that would be done up with all the goodies the right way
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Old Mar 18, 2008 | 10:04 PM
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here it is, not quite as fancy as 2004denali
Looks good. That's what I was wanting to see. That Denali is out of hand. LOL! Looks like a lot of work there, is it running yet?
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Old Mar 18, 2008 | 10:17 PM
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May I ask why you are sticking with the 4.8? Not an insulting question but just would like to know why. BTW cool Cummins swap.
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Old Mar 18, 2008 | 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by 02denali24s
Well in your experience what is a 900HP budget?

And what is a 400HP budget?

For a 6.0L that would be done up with all the goodies the right way
A 900 HP (GOAL) has a limited budget You dont build a dependable 900HP truck for 5,000.00! In order to reach your goal you have to start big or else your going to be replacing parts left and right. Its cheaper to do it right the first time.


A 400 HP budget is when you build your setup around a platform that already exist. like using stock parts, engine, drivetrain etc.
And you build it over a period of time, not in a weekend.
IMO a 400HP budget consist of bolt-ons a cam and some trans work.
4000.00 should get you there.

When i first built my truck I said 12's is all i want.
Cam, 6.0, transmission, tune. I was there!

Now I want to play with the big dogs, My engine and tranny is sold!
New setup cost 4X much as my old 400HP setup.

But, "you gotta pay to play"
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Old Mar 18, 2008 | 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Derek @ EDO
A 900 HP (GOAL) has a limited budget You dont build a dependable 900HP truck for 5,000.00! In order to reach your goal you have to start big or else your going to be replacing parts left and right. Its cheaper to do it right the first time.


A 400 HP budget is when you build your setup around a platform that already exist. like using stock parts, engine, drivetrain etc.
And you build it over a period of time, not in a weekend.
IMO a 400HP budget consist of bolt-ons a cam and some trans work.
4000.00 should get you there.

When i first built my truck I said 12's is all i want.
Cam, 6.0, transmission, tune. I was there!

Now I want to play with the big dogs, My engine and tranny is sold!
New setup cost 4X much as my old 400HP setup.

But, "you gotta pay to play"

This is very true. I started out just adding bolt ons to my 5.3 then upgraded to a 6.0 with a cam.
Blew 7 transmissions and some other junk upgraded to some better stuff in the rear,trans heads...all in all it cost alot more down the road as you get used to the speed your at cause your never really happy.
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Old Mar 18, 2008 | 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Derek @ EDO
A 900 HP (GOAL) has a limited budget You dont build a dependable 900HP truck for 5,000.00! In order to reach your goal you have to start big or else your going to be replacing parts left and right. Its cheaper to do it right the first time.



Then there are grades of "dependable" at 900hp... But one thing is for sure, you won't even get undependable 900 hp for $5k.

Originally Posted by Derek @ EDO
But, "you gotta pay to play"
Truer words...
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Old Mar 18, 2008 | 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by TurboBerserker
Then there are grades of "dependable" at 900hp... But one thing is for sure, you won't even get undependable 900 hp for $5k.



Truer words...

lol, yea your right!
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Old Mar 18, 2008 | 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by ZZebes
Alright coming from someone working on my own big power turbo kit right now i will tell you a few tidbits i have learned

1. Whatever you think you are going to spend, triple it and then your close
2. Your fuel system is not NEARLY as easy as it sounds, if you have a return or returnless fuel system, plan on a dual intank pump setup with a hobbs switch, one pump wont keep up effectively.
3. The little **** will kill you i.e. (Oil fittings, Piping, Clamps, Couplers, Gauges, Seals and Gaskets etc.)
4. Your gonna need a 4l80e, don't try to make a 60e live behind 500hp you will regret it

That is some basic stuff, the faster you want to go the faster your wallet empties. You gotta pay to play and if you think you are gonna get away with a 500+hp maintinence free system you have a suprise coming.

David
As someone who decided to go turbo a year ago and is JUST NOW about done ironing out the little problems, I have to say that David's post is dead-on correct. The more power you make, the more it costs to make more. Unless you're planning on a *****-to-the-wall all-out build, do a single. It will be cheaper and easier to build (one turbo, one wastegate, one BOV, one oil supply line, one oil drain, one manifold, one downpipe, etc etc), and will be cheaper and easier to maintain. Someone else above said that you can't build a 100% reliable high HP setup. This is also correct. If you're going with a turbo setup, expect to spend a fairly significant amount of time maintaining it (gaskets failing, bolts breaking or backing out, oil lines leaking, couplers coming loose, etc etc). The fewer parts you have to maintain, the easier that job will be. I was considering twins when I first started going down the turbo path, and I am very glad that I did a single. Twin turbo sounds cool, but unless you absolutely NEED both turbos, don't do it.
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Old Mar 18, 2008 | 11:17 PM
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eh, the maintenance is about the same for both IMO.

The cost more than doubles though.

A great illustration of the "there's no 100% reliability" is how you spend your free time: stock or lightly modded vs. high hp...

light mods: movies, kickin back, relaxing
high hp: changing plugs, tightening loose stuff (again) that you will tighten again next weekend, cleaning oil off the floor, changing oil, figuring out why it won't start this week, shopping for tires...
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