Run your 4L80E swap on a 4L60e tune with no segment swap
03-23-2012, 03:40 PM
#53
A copyright protects you but isn't required in every circumstance.
The problem is this,
If something is developed by me, John, or anybody else that works for me, in the past we hoped that the average customer and competitor had enough honor and integrity to respect that so we don't have to spend the money to copyright everything we make into print (like transbrake instructions, tech tip sheets, etc). Everytime we copyright/patent something it cost the company money that has to be passed on to the customer.
Copyrighting the instructions sheets isn't that expensive but will be getting done from now on due to this thread.
Patenting is a fairly expensive ordeal. If I patent a part and spend $10-20k to make that happen, then the part is much more expensive than it had to be.
For the most part in the transmission industry, the companies and individuals have at least some sense of this. Some ripoffs have happened but for the most part, most of us would rather put an original idea on the market.
However I will be spending the money to patent some of my more advanced new projects in the near future. What this creates is a delay in marketing the product and increases prices to the customer. I can't sell the product until I have a provisional patent.
On a low volume part, it can add considerable expense. A part that I could sell for $100 or so will be a $300 part to pay me back for patent fees.
I'm a pretty open minded kind of person. If someone wanted to "copy" one of my parts for use by themselves or a friend, I wouldn't be offended. That's how "hot-rodding" gets done sometimes, and how we get new talent in the industry to continue learning.
In the case of the instruction sheet that was posted here, if the poster had simply given it to a friend for their use too, or maybe even posted HOW to do it, that's not a big deal. But to post an instruction sheet someone else took the time to develop, write up, compile, AND offer tech support on is another.
What a customer is actually paying for on the instruction sheet is the tech support that came along with it. Which I KNOW John has spent considerable time doing.
If there wasn't some basis to my statement (that I edited because I aimed it at the wrong person) the instructions would still be posted, but I don't think IBB wants to deal with that legally.
03-23-2012, 03:44 PM
#54
I found this info from a quick Google search, I believe this is the schematic everyone is talking about
If you want to delete PWM you need 1 relay, use one of these two schematics...
near the transmission
near the PCM
If you want to keep the PWM you need 2 relays, use one of these two schematics
near the transmission
near the PCM
And Jake, your story changes every time you talk about this damn relay mod. Your boy was not the first to come up with it, he got the idea from someone else and improved upon it, nevermind the fact that you've said you gave him some manuals and he came up with on his own. So how does that make him a contractor to you. To my knowledge this info is not copyrighted. In addition your boy would need to be added to your sponsorship if you want him to be under the Jakes Performance Transmission umbrella, and even then you're NOT a sponsor on this site. Feel free to contact IB about additional sponsorship dues if you want to come to this side of the fence.
If you want to delete PWM you need 1 relay, use one of these two schematics...
near the transmission
near the PCM
If you want to keep the PWM you need 2 relays, use one of these two schematics
near the transmission
near the PCM
And Jake, your story changes every time you talk about this damn relay mod. Your boy was not the first to come up with it, he got the idea from someone else and improved upon it, nevermind the fact that you've said you gave him some manuals and he came up with on his own. So how does that make him a contractor to you. To my knowledge this info is not copyrighted. In addition your boy would need to be added to your sponsorship if you want him to be under the Jakes Performance Transmission umbrella, and even then you're NOT a sponsor on this site. Feel free to contact IB about additional sponsorship dues if you want to come to this side of the fence.
03-23-2012, 03:50 PM
#55
I'm not an attorney but I do have one...
A copyright protects you but isn't required in every circumstance.
The problem is this,
If something is developed by me, John, or anybody else that works for me, in the past we hoped that the average customer and competitor had enough honor and integrity to respect that so we don't have to spend the money to copyright everything we make into print (like transbrake instructions, tech tip sheets, etc). Everytime we copyright/patent something it cost the company money that has to be passed on to the customer.
Copyrighting the instructions sheets isn't that expensive but will be getting done from now on due to this thread.
Patenting is a fairly expensive ordeal. If I patent a part and spend $10-20k to make that happen, then the part is much more expensive than it had to be.
For the most part in the transmission industry, the companies and individuals have at least some sense of this. Some ripoffs have happened but for the most part, most of us would rather put an original idea on the market.
However I will be spending the money to patent some of my more advanced new projects in the near future. What this creates is a delay in marketing the product and increases prices to the customer. I can't sell the product until I have a provisional patent.
On a low volume part, it can add considerable expense. A part that I could sell for $100 or so will be a $300 part to pay me back for patent fees.
I'm a pretty open minded kind of person. If someone wanted to "copy" one of my parts for use by themselves or a friend, I wouldn't be offended. That's how "hot-rodding" gets done sometimes, and how we get new talent in the industry to continue learning.
In the case of the instruction sheet that was posted here, if the poster had simply given it to a friend for their use too, or maybe even posted HOW to do it, that's not a big deal. But to post an instruction sheet someone else took the time to develop, write up, compile, AND offer tech support on is another.
What a customer is actually paying for on the instruction sheet is the tech support that came along with it. Which I KNOW John has spent considerable time doing.
If there wasn't some basis to my statement (that I edited because I aimed it at the wrong person) the instructions would still be posted, but I don't think IBB wants to deal with that legally.
A copyright protects you but isn't required in every circumstance.
The problem is this,
If something is developed by me, John, or anybody else that works for me, in the past we hoped that the average customer and competitor had enough honor and integrity to respect that so we don't have to spend the money to copyright everything we make into print (like transbrake instructions, tech tip sheets, etc). Everytime we copyright/patent something it cost the company money that has to be passed on to the customer.
Copyrighting the instructions sheets isn't that expensive but will be getting done from now on due to this thread.
Patenting is a fairly expensive ordeal. If I patent a part and spend $10-20k to make that happen, then the part is much more expensive than it had to be.
For the most part in the transmission industry, the companies and individuals have at least some sense of this. Some ripoffs have happened but for the most part, most of us would rather put an original idea on the market.
However I will be spending the money to patent some of my more advanced new projects in the near future. What this creates is a delay in marketing the product and increases prices to the customer. I can't sell the product until I have a provisional patent.
On a low volume part, it can add considerable expense. A part that I could sell for $100 or so will be a $300 part to pay me back for patent fees.
I'm a pretty open minded kind of person. If someone wanted to "copy" one of my parts for use by themselves or a friend, I wouldn't be offended. That's how "hot-rodding" gets done sometimes, and how we get new talent in the industry to continue learning.
In the case of the instruction sheet that was posted here, if the poster had simply given it to a friend for their use too, or maybe even posted HOW to do it, that's not a big deal. But to post an instruction sheet someone else took the time to develop, write up, compile, AND offer tech support on is another.
What a customer is actually paying for on the instruction sheet is the tech support that came along with it. Which I KNOW John has spent considerable time doing.
If there wasn't some basis to my statement (that I edited because I aimed it at the wrong person) the instructions would still be posted, but I don't think IBB wants to deal with that legally.
03-23-2012, 04:13 PM
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So I just had a couple forum members help me out TONS with setting up a wiring diagram for some switches I want to run in my truck. Guess I should ask them for their Paypal so I can send them money. What is the going internet hourly rate now??
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