Tuning, Diagnostics, Electronics, and Wiring HP Tuners | EFILive | Hand Held Programmers | Stand Alone PCM's | Electronics | Wiring Diagrams

How much knock retard is ok?

Old May 1, 2012 | 09:30 AM
  #1  
joutlaw's Avatar
Thread Starter
Teching In
 
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 7
Likes: 0
Default How much knock retard is ok?

This is on 2004 Silverado Z71 with the 5.3L V8. It has a Blackbear data logged tune with K&N filter, magnaflow catback, and a corvette servo.

I recently got ELM327 OBDII scanner and have been using Torque with GM's extended PIDs.

I logged my drive home from work yesterday. I saw as much 7.8 degrees of knock retard. This was 2700RPMs in 3rd gear, 64MPH, throttle @ 67%, engine load @ 42%, and timing advance 22.5 degrees.

At WOT I saw 5.27 degrees of knock retard with 21.5 degrees of timing advance.

Most of the time I did not see knock retard though. It was mainly in high load situations such interstate on ramps or inclines.

My concern is that my tune may be the culprit. I would imagine most stock GM tunes exhibit knock retard too though.

Attached are the log files.
Attached Files
File Type: rar
log.rar (191.7 KB, 147 views)
Reply
Old May 1, 2012 | 10:23 AM
  #2  
smokeshow's Avatar
Mod with training wheels
iTrader: (16)
 
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 7,741
Likes: 207
From: Detroit
Default

No knock retard is ok.
Reply
Old May 1, 2012 | 10:38 AM
  #3  
Area47's Avatar
TECH Fanatic
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 1,737
Likes: 0
From: K.C.
Default

audible knock? or just displayed knock?
Reply
Old May 1, 2012 | 10:41 AM
  #4  
dmelvin's Avatar
TECH Fanatic
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 1,939
Likes: 1
From: Rock Port, MO
Default

I get this same thing with my BB logged tune. Mine is just displayed knock, but I have seen as much at 8-9* knock retard. Always when pulling a hill without downshifting, when the engine has to lug its way up the hill.
Reply
Old May 1, 2012 | 11:08 AM
  #5  
slow67's Avatar
Gingervitis Addict
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 2,403
Likes: 1
From: DFW
Default

Was it real knock or burst knock?
Reply
Old May 1, 2012 | 11:08 AM
  #6  
2007chevy5.3l's Avatar
TECH Addict
iTrader: (21)
 
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 2,625
Likes: 0
From: Fort Worth, Texas
Default

Sounds like your tune is way off. You should have 0 knock all the time.
Reply
Old May 1, 2012 | 11:48 AM
  #7  
joutlaw's Avatar
Thread Starter
Teching In
 
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 7
Likes: 0
Default

Looking at those logs I also notice that I see it during some of the 2-3 shifts. Does torque management show up as knock retard or is timing advance reduced? Or are they essentially the same thing?

I have 80% TM reduction and 100% on the transmission tuning with tow haul mode.
Reply
Old May 1, 2012 | 11:58 AM
  #8  
BlackGMC's Avatar
Resident Retard
iTrader: (31)
 
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 17,216
Likes: 20
From: Fort Worth - TX
Default

what octane are you running?
Reply
Old May 1, 2012 | 12:21 PM
  #9  
2007chevy5.3l's Avatar
TECH Addict
iTrader: (21)
 
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 2,625
Likes: 0
From: Fort Worth, Texas
Default

Originally Posted by joutlaw
Looking at those logs I also notice that I see it during some of the 2-3 shifts. Does torque management show up as knock retard or is timing advance reduced? Or are they essentially the same thing?

I have 80% TM reduction and 100% on the transmission tuning with tow haul mode.
Torque management just reduces the timing to a low value for the length of time it takes to shift gears (so probably a half second). Knock retard is sound data coming from the knock sensors and what they aren hearing when predetonation occurs. Now, I have seen low low amounts of false knock mainly due to header noise, at random times but its usually a value around .1-1.0* of knock
Reply
Old Jul 9, 2012 | 04:04 PM
  #10  
joutlaw's Avatar
Thread Starter
Teching In
 
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 7
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by 2007chevy5.3l
Torque management just reduces the timing to a low value for the length of time it takes to shift gears (so probably a half second). Knock retard is sound data coming from the knock sensors and what they aren hearing when predetonation occurs. Now, I have seen low low amounts of false knock mainly due to header noise, at random times but its usually a value around .1-1.0* of knock
I have a 87 octane tune and was running 87.

I have had this tune for around 3 years and never noticed any issues. I haven't been as hard on my truck and may be why I am noticing it now. I can audibly hear pinging which I thought was my exhaust rattling.

For giggles, the other week I put in 89 octane. I don't hear the pinging and the truck is running better it seems. I also don't notice what I thought was transmission shuddering at 55-60mph in OD. I think that that this was load knock occuring.

Even more strange is it seems my TC is locking at a greater rate. i.e. my RPMs at 75mph are 500-1000 RPM lower than they were before. I have 3.73s with a 265 tire.
Reply

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:40 PM.