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Old Apr 25, 2012 | 05:17 PM
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well to each his own i guess
i do admit it needs a tune
but as it is right now it will burn both tires from 35mph
and im as happy as a pup born with two peters!

i admit there there is always a precuationary side to every aspect in the
build process and i can see that with the sensors too
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Old Apr 25, 2012 | 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by redsilv
team paulie,
i started my swap saturday morning around 7am
quit at 10pm
started the new engine at 1:38 pm sunday afternoon
and yes that is by my damn self
all my buddies seem to have wanted to always want to fu/. my wife
what the hell does that mean??? If that is what I think it means, you should prolly find better "buddies".....
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Old Apr 26, 2012 | 09:17 PM
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yes all my old" buddies " will help me out alright
especially when im not home

but to the op
ive had no trouble using my sensors without a crank relearn and currently
have about 150 miles on the engine and no check engine light

maybe i should megg my wires next time to show if the insulation of the wire is
still in factory spec
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Old Apr 27, 2012 | 03:42 AM
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Originally Posted by redsilv
yes all my old" buddies " will help me out alright
especially when im not home

but to the op
ive had no trouble using my sensors without a crank relearn and currently
have about 150 miles on the engine and no check engine light

maybe i should megg my wires next time to show if the insulation of the wire is
still in factory spec
I just wanted you as well as others to better understand whats going on with the data from the crank and sensor. The PCM uses the Crank Position Variation relearn for "calibrating" its misfire detection algorithm. Its more of a diagnostic feature used for detecting misfires. The engine should still be able to run fine. Its not going to make or brake things if you don't do it. But in in extreme cases you can get an SES light along with poor Performance.

Copied from Dave_62 whom copied it from a factory manual. LS1TECH - View Single Post - Crank Relearn after PCM Changes

The Crankshaft Position (CKP) sensor sends pulses to the PCM as the reluctor wheel teeth rotate past the CKP sensor. The PCM uses the CKP pulses to synchronize the ignition and fuel injector operation, and to time the interval between each CKP pulse. The PCM determines when an excessive change in crankshaft speed occurs by comparing each new time interval with the previous interval. A misfire causes an unexpected change in the crankshaft speed. A certain amount of acceleration/deceleration is expected between each firing stroke, but if the crankshaft speed changes more than an expected amount, the PCM interprets this as a misfire. The interval between CKP sensor pulses is extremely small. At high engine speeds, slight variations in the following components make misfire detection difficult:

Crankshaft
Reluctor wheel
CKP sensor

The PCM learns variations during the Crankshaft Position System Variation Learning Procedure. The PCM compensates for these variations when performing detect misfire calculations. Only a bi-directional scan tool can command the PCM to perform the Crankshaft Position System Variation Learning Procedure again. Perform the learning procedure after the following actions:

A PCM replacement
Any operation or repair involving the crankshaft, the CKP sensor, or the CKP sensor to reluctor wheel gap relationship.
An engine replacement.
The ignition switch is in the ON position until the battery is drained
A Qoute from Joecar: LS1TECH - View Single Post - Crank Relearn after PCM Changes

It did this because it was falsely detecting misfires... the PCM had bad CASE relearn data, so every crank event looked like a misfire.

The PCM always knows the crank position... the CKP reluctor wheel is fixed to the crank, it can never lose its position;

the CASE relearn measures the crank's rate of deceleration on fuel cutoff and stores it for future reference... by comparing each crank event against this the PCM can detect misfires.
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Old Apr 27, 2012 | 03:55 AM
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Now with that being said even things like a basic tune up can benefit from a crank re-learn.

I have preformed this procedure after just replacing spark plugs and you can visible see the difference on a scan tool in the miss fire counts along with feeling the physical difference after the procedure was preformed.
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Old Apr 30, 2012 | 06:09 PM
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So pull battery cable and let it un-tard itself.
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Old May 3, 2012 | 11:43 AM
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My whole plan was when I had both engines out and on the stands was to swap over everything from the 4.8 to the 6.0,Wheatley is my tuner so trust him in figuring it all out from the ECM standpoint,then I gotta go take it to Vector and get it strapped and tuned in person.
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Old Jul 20, 2012 | 10:18 AM
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The starters are different? Got on rock auto and the part numbers are different,but I think I can resuse my 4.8 one or just buy a 6.0 one from the zone.
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Old Jul 20, 2012 | 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by redsilv

well to each his own i guess
i do admit it needs a tune
but as it is right now it will burn both tires from 35mph
and im as happy as a pup born with two peters!

i admit there there is always a precuationary side to every aspect in the
build process and i can see that with the sensors too
Did you pull the hood by you self? Anything else you wanna share with me on the swap? I got the top half all done and just about done with the under side.
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Old Jul 20, 2012 | 10:51 AM
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Theres a service port for the hood hinges..
Just relocate the springs to them and the hood will almost go to 12oclock. very handy anytime you gotta work under the hood. lets alot more light in also!
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