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Old Oct 10, 2005 | 03:25 PM
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what would happen if i found the smallest intercooler like 4"x6" intercooler what would happen if i hooked up one without turbo n/a stock with a highflow filter then place it in front of the truck to cool the air? I WONDER Have you ever heard of this?
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Old Oct 10, 2005 | 04:20 PM
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Many people including myself have pondered this same question.
It really would not do much for you unless its always above 85-90 degrees where you live.
Its very hard to get your intake temps below ambient and near impossible with an air to air set up. A liquid to air may drop your temps some but the gains would not be great. The reason everyone goes with an intercooler for a F.I. set is the fact that the compressed air becomes heated from the fact it is being compressed. Sometinmes at high boost you can actually see temps going above 180 degrees!!! Not good for combustion efficiency.
I was schooled on this before I decided to go with the turbo.
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Old Oct 10, 2005 | 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by TG02Z71
Many people including myself have pondered this same question.
It really would not do much for you unless its always above 85-90 degrees where you live.
Its very hard to get your intake temps below ambient and near impossible with an air to air set up. A liquid to air may drop your temps some but the gains would not be great. The reason everyone goes with an intercooler for a F.I. set is the fact that the compressed air becomes heated from the fact it is being compressed. Sometinmes at high boost you can actually see temps going above 180 degrees!!! Not good for combustion efficiency.
I was schooled on this before I decided to go with the turbo.
I agree to a certain point instead of the 85-90 degrees I would say a temperature of 100-110 degrees. As gettting your intake temperature below ambient temperature, this would be impossible no matter if you have an air-air cooler or a water-air cooler, unless you someway of cooling the water in the water-air cooler. Keep in mind you want to create a denser OXYGEN charge not a necessarily a colder AIR charge. I mean nitrogen (AIR is composed of 79% N, 19% O, 1% AR, 1% other) does not support combustion no matter whether it is in the liquid or gas form.
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Old Oct 10, 2005 | 04:37 PM
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2bad i live on a cold area up north, just wanted to know if at least at 40mph with cold wind hitting the intercooler would cool things down a bit, and i do a lot of 70mph driving. This would almost work as a ramair.
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Old Oct 10, 2005 | 05:46 PM
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I think it would do nothing. There is nothing in a N/A engine that heats up the air charge like a FI engine does. The tubing required would make more of a restriction and provide more surface area to heat up the charge. And the air would never get cooler you'd just manage to keep it at ambient in the best case scenario.
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Old Oct 10, 2005 | 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by cbrich
Keep in mind you want to create a denser OXYGEN charge not a necessarily a colder AIR charge. I mean nitrogen (AIR is composed of 79% N, 19% O, 1% AR, 1% other) does not support combustion no matter whether it is in the liquid or gas form.
This is why Nitrous kicks @$$...there is a charge that is compounded with a high concentration of OXYGEN. (NO2)
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Old Oct 10, 2005 | 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by FarmerBeau
This is why Nitrous kicks @$$...there is a charge that is compounded with a high concentration of OXYGEN. (NO2)
Your are absolute correct. Why don't anyone use liquified oxygen and liquified hydrogen as fuel instead of gasoline and air, that would be absolute power if the engine parts will hold up.
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Old Oct 11, 2005 | 02:08 AM
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I work for a cryogenic tank refurbishing company so i have somewhat of an understanding about how cryogenics work. The main thing cryogenics are used for is holding large amounts of gas in a smaller container in a liquid state (aside from the temperature part of the whole thing). Its some 300+ degrees below zero. Some of our head honchos have been taking classes and going to seminars to learn how hydrogen works. I have counted 3 cryogenic hydrogen tanks in our yard so far and they are growing slowly in numbers. I have seen liquid nitrous oxide tanks for race use in magazines. I dont think that the liquid can vaporize fast enough by the time it hits the motor although the hydrocarbons that make up the gasoline would help it vaporize faster. Im not sure about just liquid oxygen though. maybe something to look into.
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Old Oct 11, 2005 | 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by FarmerBeau
Im not sure about just liquid oxygen though. maybe something to look into.
Wait a tick! What am i thinking? Running a motor off of straight oxygen is damn near impossible. Oxygen just supports combustion. It is not combustable in itself. Oh well new idea shot down. Nuts!
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