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Old May 5, 2007 | 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by nightrunner
e-*******-xactly

and anywhere else there is oil

**** the damn environmentalists

just how i feel
I agree, in 50 years we aren't even going to need oil for our cars. There will be something much more efficient and probably cheaper. So why not drill it out?

If my logic is skewed then please correct me.
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Old May 5, 2007 | 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by vanillagorilla
So can I ask why the local, state and federal governments tax it? To me it seems like they're shitting in thier own nest. Who are they taxing? Us or the oil companies? Where does the 50-80 cents a gallon go? Certainly not alternative fuel research or to feed the hungry.
It pays for the roads we drive on.....
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Old May 7, 2007 | 10:18 AM
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Seems you entirely missed the point here.

You claimed that this was a free market economy.

The US is anything BUT a free market economy, regardless of what Kudlow and Cramer tell you.

I then showed you how our "free market economy" coddled both the oil industry, and your very congressional district, even though they clearly dont need the help.

Like what was said elsewhere in this thread, fuel taxes help pay for our road system, and actually fall quite short, which explains the state of our roads!


Originally Posted by quicksilverado
Federal funds to a local district have nothing to do with the price of a gallon of gas. A high average income for a district also has absolutely nothing to do with gas.
I guess with fewer refineries than we had 30 years ago, a larger domestic demand along with the exploding demand in China and India have no influence on the price. Not to mention the tree hudggers that go ballistic when the mere mention of drilling in the Anwar area comes up. Floridians going ape $hit if anyone considers drilling off their coastline. All the chaos in the Middle East probably has no effect either. OPEC cutting back on production to keep the price per barrel elevated does'nt come into play. Wall Street traders that panic when a fly lands on a donkey's a$$ surely has no affect.
The oil industry's profit margins are right in line with other major industry margins. If not on the slightly on the low side. The oil industry is making tremendous profits, but that is because the demand for their product is thru the roof.
I will agree that the government turning millions off barrels around and shipping it back over seas is increasing the cost off gas. The effect of the government to demand so many different blends of gas also contributes to the cost. The 50-80 cents per gallon of taxes imposed by the Local, State , and Federal Governments don't help either.
Even with all these things going against us. We still enjoy some off the lowest prices in the world.
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Old May 7, 2007 | 10:59 AM
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Of course, even though oligopolies enjoy price-setting power similar to monopolies, especially if there is collusion (which I am sure there is NONE of in this example...), I just know all of the companies involved are after our best interest, and not their own.
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Old May 7, 2007 | 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Eye-P
Seems you entirely missed the point here.

You claimed that this was a free market economy.

The US is anything BUT a free market economy, regardless of what Kudlow and Cramer tell you.

I then showed you how our "free market economy" coddled both the oil industry, and your very congressional district, even though they clearly dont need the help.

Like what was said elsewhere in this thread, fuel taxes help pay for our road system, and actually fall quite short, which explains the state of our roads!
Your example had no point to back up what you are trying to say. I gave several examples of what influences the market and therefore the price of fuel. The government does give the oil industry huge tax breaks, but I challenge you to find any major industry that does not enjoy that same privilege. If the industry is large enough they have plenty of lobbiest in D.C. to influence the tax laws for their particular niche in the market. A Congressional district is not a business , and therefore has nothing to do with this conversation. Contrary to what most believe, fuel taxes go into the general fund like most other taxes and are used for everything under the sun except for there intended use.
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Old May 7, 2007 | 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by quicksilverado
Your example had no point to back up what you are trying to say. I gave several examples of what influences the market and therefore the price of fuel. The government does give the oil industry huge tax breaks, but I challenge you to find any major industry that does not enjoy that same privilege. If the industry is large enough they have plenty of lobbiest in D.C. to influence the tax laws for their particular niche in the market. A Congressional district is not a business , and therefore has nothing to do with this conversation. Contrary to what most believe, fuel taxes go into the general fund like most other taxes and are used for everything under the sun except for there intended use.

See the bold?

How is this a "free market", as you claim in the first post I responded to? If you then admit that there are all kinds of government controls and interventions on behalf of certain industries, isnt this then by very definition -NOT- a "free market"?

And a congressional district is very much a business. There is always a balance sheet, debtors, creditors, customers, clients, overhead, etc...
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Old May 7, 2007 | 10:23 PM
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If it were not a free market then the rest of the points I made would have no effect on the price. There are not all kinds of controls. There are a few guidelines which the government imposes that have an indirect influence on prices, but they do not by any means set the price.
If a congressional district were a true business they would have to balance their budgets and not run huge deficits. They would have to adjust their spending according to income and limit overhead rather than raising taxes and spending without an end in sight.
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