Anyone else want to get banned?
Apr 20, 2005 | 01:16 PM
#51
14 Second Truck Club
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From: Tucson, AZ
Originally Posted by Naked AV
The impression I'm getting is that NineBall is in charge, he can do whatever he wants, and if we don't like it, tough. Well I'm sorry, I don't take too kindly to that kind of talk from anyone, I don't care if he is the owner of the site. At the end of the day, sure, he can do whatever he wants, but the chickens will come home to roost eventually and he will not be able to keep that attitude forever before he starts losing members.
Which brings me to another point. All I hear him preaching in this post is how the site is "free for us," but I also seem to remember him sharing not too long ago about how this site generates a nice little tidy second revenue for himself. Which is great for him, but we all need to remember, if it weren't for the members, no one would advertise here, and his nice little second source of revenue would disappear.
The whole tenor of this thread is threatening, like Yosemite Sam with guns blazing at everyone to just back off. Well I got news for you pal, I haven't done anything wrong, so I don't deserve your rant. It sounds like you have a member management issue that you aren't managing very well. But guess what? That is not my fault, nor is it my responsibility to correct - it is yours. You need to fix it, but that should not include taking it out on innocent members who have nothing to do with the problem.
Just to be clear, just like in any other business or community, if there is a continuous, ongoing problem, it is a management issue, not a member issue. We've already given you a couple of suggestions as to how you can better handle certain situations. One would be filling out the 'Reason for Edit' explanation each time a mod deletes or modifies a post. Another would be to demand better behavior from your mods. If a mod still wants to act like a member, then maybe they should be a member again, and not a mod anymore.
Do you need to do any of these things? Of course not ("it's your site, you can do whatever you want..."). But if you continue in the manner you have been, you will continue to get what you have been getting. And it sounds like you don't want that. If you truly want things to change, you should consider some changes in the management style of your mods and site.
Just trying to help...
Which brings me to another point. All I hear him preaching in this post is how the site is "free for us," but I also seem to remember him sharing not too long ago about how this site generates a nice little tidy second revenue for himself. Which is great for him, but we all need to remember, if it weren't for the members, no one would advertise here, and his nice little second source of revenue would disappear.
The whole tenor of this thread is threatening, like Yosemite Sam with guns blazing at everyone to just back off. Well I got news for you pal, I haven't done anything wrong, so I don't deserve your rant. It sounds like you have a member management issue that you aren't managing very well. But guess what? That is not my fault, nor is it my responsibility to correct - it is yours. You need to fix it, but that should not include taking it out on innocent members who have nothing to do with the problem.
Just to be clear, just like in any other business or community, if there is a continuous, ongoing problem, it is a management issue, not a member issue. We've already given you a couple of suggestions as to how you can better handle certain situations. One would be filling out the 'Reason for Edit' explanation each time a mod deletes or modifies a post. Another would be to demand better behavior from your mods. If a mod still wants to act like a member, then maybe they should be a member again, and not a mod anymore.
Do you need to do any of these things? Of course not ("it's your site, you can do whatever you want..."). But if you continue in the manner you have been, you will continue to get what you have been getting. And it sounds like you don't want that. If you truly want things to change, you should consider some changes in the management style of your mods and site.
Just trying to help...
HEAR HEAR
Apr 20, 2005 | 01:18 PM
#52
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Originally Posted by Naked AV
The impression I'm getting is that NineBall is in charge, he can do whatever he wants, and if we don't like it, tough. Well I'm sorry, I don't take too kindly to that kind of talk from anyone, I don't care if he is the owner of the site. At the end of the day, sure, he can do whatever he wants, but the chickens will come home to roost eventually and he will not be able to keep that attitude forever before he starts losing members.
Which brings me to another point. All I hear him preaching in this post is how the site is "free for us," but I also seem to remember him sharing not too long ago about how this site generates a nice little tidy second revenue for himself. Which is great for him, but we all need to remember, if it weren't for the members, no one would advertise here, and his nice little second source of revenue would disappear.
The whole tenor of this thread is threatening, like Yosemite Sam with guns blazing at everyone to just back off. Well I got news for you pal, I haven't done anything wrong, so I don't deserve your rant. It sounds like you have a member management issue that you aren't managing very well. But guess what? That is not my fault, nor is it my responsibility to correct - it is yours. You need to fix it, but that should not include taking it out on innocent members who have nothing to do with the problem.
Just to be clear, just like in any other business or community, if there is a continuous, ongoing problem, it is a management issue, not a member issue. We've already given you a couple of suggestions as to how you can better handle certain situations. One would be filling out the 'Reason for Edit' explanation each time a mod deletes or modifies a post. Another would be to demand better behavior from your mods. If a mod still wants to act like a member, then maybe they should be a member again, and not a mod anymore.
Do you need to do any of these things? Of course not ("it's your site, you can do whatever you want..."). But if you continue in the manner you have been, you will continue to get what you have been getting. And it sounds like you don't want that. If you truly want things to change, you should consider some changes in the management style of your mods and site.
Just trying to help...
Which brings me to another point. All I hear him preaching in this post is how the site is "free for us," but I also seem to remember him sharing not too long ago about how this site generates a nice little tidy second revenue for himself. Which is great for him, but we all need to remember, if it weren't for the members, no one would advertise here, and his nice little second source of revenue would disappear.
The whole tenor of this thread is threatening, like Yosemite Sam with guns blazing at everyone to just back off. Well I got news for you pal, I haven't done anything wrong, so I don't deserve your rant. It sounds like you have a member management issue that you aren't managing very well. But guess what? That is not my fault, nor is it my responsibility to correct - it is yours. You need to fix it, but that should not include taking it out on innocent members who have nothing to do with the problem.
Just to be clear, just like in any other business or community, if there is a continuous, ongoing problem, it is a management issue, not a member issue. We've already given you a couple of suggestions as to how you can better handle certain situations. One would be filling out the 'Reason for Edit' explanation each time a mod deletes or modifies a post. Another would be to demand better behavior from your mods. If a mod still wants to act like a member, then maybe they should be a member again, and not a mod anymore.
Do you need to do any of these things? Of course not ("it's your site, you can do whatever you want..."). But if you continue in the manner you have been, you will continue to get what you have been getting. And it sounds like you don't want that. If you truly want things to change, you should consider some changes in the management style of your mods and site.
Just trying to help...
Apr 20, 2005 | 01:21 PM
#53
TECH Junkie
Joined: Jan 2003
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From: Fresno/Chico
The whole point of this thread was a bad idea. It foster bad user/moderator relations. This thread has stirred up more trouble then it was meant to fix. The amount of very long texted replies is an indicator of it.
And with this post Im done in this thread.
And with this post Im done in this thread.
Apr 20, 2005 | 01:21 PM
#54
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From: fayetteville AR
I agree...err or something
Apr 20, 2005 | 02:05 PM
#55
Originally Posted by Naked AV
Just to be clear, just like in any other business or community, if there is a continuous, ongoing problem, it is a management issue, not a member issue. We've already given you a couple of suggestions as to how you can better handle certain situations. One would be filling out the 'Reason for Edit' explanation each time a mod deletes or modifies a post. Another would be to demand better behavior from your mods. If a mod still wants to act like a member, then maybe they should be a member again, and not a mod anymore.
Do you need to do any of these things? Of course not ("it's your site, you can do whatever you want..."). But if you continue in the manner you have been, you will continue to get what you have been getting. And it sounds like you don't want that. If you truly want things to change, you should consider some changes in the management style of your mods and site.
Just trying to help...
Apr 20, 2005 | 03:02 PM
#56
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From: Houston, TX
Originally Posted by Naked AV
The impression I'm getting is that NineBall is in charge, he can do whatever he wants, and if we don't like it, tough. Well I'm sorry, I don't take too kindly to that kind of talk from anyone, I don't care if he is the owner of the site.
Which brings me to another point. All I hear him preaching in this post is how the site is "free for us," but I also seem to remember him sharing not too long ago about how this site generates a nice little tidy second revenue for himself. Which is great for him, but we all need to remember, if it weren't for the members, no one would advertise here, and his nice little second source of revenue would disappear.
Just to be clear, just like in any other business or community, if there is a continuous, ongoing problem, it is a management issue, not a member issue.
But if you continue in the manner you have been, you will continue to get what you have been getting. And it sounds like you don't want that. If you truly want things to change, you should consider some changes in the management style of your mods and site.
GoldenVelvet, I figured I'd let you know that you are on this "list" already, so don't push it.
Apr 20, 2005 | 04:11 PM
#57
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From: Deep in the seedy underworld of Koonerville
Naked AV - I just want to say I understand why you would initially read the first post and be upset BUT, if it doesn't apply to you(which it doesn't ) then why even worry about it anymore? 
The reason you are getting to see Tonys rant even though you don't deserve it is because these issues have been addressed so many times in PM's already. It is very time consuming to sit and PM several members back and forth and after it's all said and done have them continue to do the same things again. 
This was a faster way to let a target group of members know what the deal was. You shouldn't take offense to it just ignore it once you read it the first time and saw it didn't apply to you. That's what I would've done....maybe snuck in a time or two to see if it needed locked. 
I've said it who knows how many times before but, I'll say it again. When we were a bit more lax than we even are now and a few of the members would get way outta hand we got ALOT of complaint PM's.....ALOT!!!! from other members. We cracked down a bit and I rarely see anymore complaint PM's. What is happening here is that one or two bad things are getting too much attention and completely overshadowing all of the positive stuff that goes on around here.
I will just say it. It's not a mod problem IMHO, it's a problem with a VERY SMALL group of members continually and repeatedly doing the same things over and over again knowing full well what consequences their actions will bring. Then complaining that the mods are power tripping or acting like ****'s.
I think everyone else is pretty cool with how things go down in here as I don't get any PM's complaining anymore like I used too.
To everyone that has showed support for how things are run.....THANK YOU! It's a pleasure reading/talking/ and learning from you all. EVEN you Naked. 
) then why even worry about it anymore? The reason you are getting to see Tonys rant even though you don't deserve it is because these issues have been addressed so many times in PM's already. It is very time consuming to sit and PM several members back and forth and after it's all said and done have them continue to do the same things again. This was a faster way to let a target group of members know what the deal was. You shouldn't take offense to it just ignore it once you read it the first time and saw it didn't apply to you. That's what I would've done....maybe snuck in a time or two to see if it needed locked. I've said it who knows how many times before but, I'll say it again. When we were a bit more lax than we even are now and a few of the members would get way outta hand we got ALOT of complaint PM's.....ALOT!!!! from other members. We cracked down a bit and I rarely see anymore complaint PM's. What is happening here is that one or two bad things are getting too much attention and completely overshadowing all of the positive stuff that goes on around here.
I will just say it. It's not a mod problem IMHO, it's a problem with a VERY SMALL group of members continually and repeatedly doing the same things over and over again knowing full well what consequences their actions will bring. Then complaining that the mods are power tripping or acting like ****'s.
I think everyone else is pretty cool with how things go down in here as I don't get any PM's complaining anymore like I used too.
To everyone that has showed support for how things are run.....THANK YOU! It's a pleasure reading/talking/ and learning from you all.
EVEN you Naked.
Apr 20, 2005 | 04:14 PM
#58
Originally Posted by XLR8NSS
To everyone that has showed support for how things are run.....THANK YOU! It's a pleasure reading/talking/ and learning from you all. EVEN you Naked.
EVEN you Naked. 
it's all good, especially when appreciation is acknowledged
Apr 20, 2005 | 04:25 PM
#59
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Originally Posted by SAY WHEN
EXACTLY. i for one have more respect for the mods who VOLUNTEER!!!(FREE!) more than the admins making extra cashflow. guys like greggo who really put time and effort on a daily basis.
Don't disrespect someone just because they're making a little money. Those admins you speak of probably work as hard or harder than all the mods combined with behind the scenes stuff. PSJ and Tony have alot to do with trying to get a entire racing series started.
That and trying to help members with sponsor problems as well as some modding here and there. They don't just sit back and collect checks like some other board admins did in the past. Show respect and you will be shown respect.
Apr 20, 2005 | 04:27 PM
#60
I can understand the frustration on the part of the admin as well as mods. This site is a BIG part of my day. I really enjoy it and have had the chance to chat with some really cool guys. Nice ball has a point though. This is his site and regardless of whether he makes money on it or not, it is free to us as is the priceless info provided here in. I spend more time on here than I do watching TV... and I spend over $100 a month for that 
I think the mods do a great job and every one has responded to PM's I have sent asking questions etc Im mean seriously... they work here for free.
I think the mods do a great job and every one has responded to PM's I have sent asking questions etc
Im mean seriously... they work here for free.