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Old Jan 5, 2016 | 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by axisT6
How is the 14SF a HUGE power robber? Can you define HUGE?
the 10.5" FF 14bolt that comes in the 6.0 trucks is huge power robber

the 9.5" SF 14bolt is a power robber as well but no where near as bad as the 10.5 or even the 11.5" 14 bolt
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Old Jan 5, 2016 | 03:04 PM
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The 10.5" is a monster axle...the 11.5" that comes behind the diesels is an even knarlier monster
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Old Jan 5, 2016 | 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by tgui
Do you just have to replace the axles to convert to 6 lug?
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You would need to do the following:

1. Purchase 88-98 4wd 14SF 6 lug shafts.
2. Have two hub centric rings made to properly pilot the 8 lug rotor on the 6 lug shafts.
3. Drill the 6 lug pattern into the 8 lug rotors.

Done.

If you purchase a good used 8 lug SF from a 2000+ year model truck (measure width for certainty), it is possible to have nice strong axle for around $600.

With this you have the benefit of the large 8 lug brakes, larger wheel bearings (bigger than AXN 14SF), and larger axle tubes (again, larger than AXN).

There is a few ways it can and has been done on the forum.

It all depends on how you want to accomplish it and what you can source locally.


tgui See this thread. There are also links inside to other axle builds... https://www.performancetrucks.net/fo...thread-467473/
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Old Jan 5, 2016 | 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by 1FastBrick
There is a few ways it can and has been done on the forum.

It all depends on how you want to accomplish it and what you can source locally.


tgui See this thread. There are also links inside to other axle builds... https://www.performancetrucks.net/fo...thread-467473/
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Old Jan 6, 2016 | 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by George C....
the 10.5" FF 14bolt that comes in the 6.0 trucks is huge power robber

the 9.5" SF 14bolt is a power robber as well but no where near as bad as the 10.5 or even the 11.5" 14 bolt
Right. HOW is the 9.5 a power robber? It is essentially a 10 bolt with bigger parts.

Sure, by virtue of the individual parts being slightly larger, increased mass and friction resulting from that does consume more power (fractionally). Also the axle weights more, but not by much.

I would say that if you swapped the 14 bolt SF in place of a 10 bolt, you wouldn't be able to tell a difference by the seat of the pants. There may be slight differences on the dyno and the 1/4, but again, I see the differences being trivial.

I am also speaking from the context of having built plenty of both axles and from swapping a 14SF in my own truck. That said I have never done a dyno comparison or 1/4 mile time comparison.
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Old Jan 6, 2016 | 08:26 AM
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I'm guessing they won't, but will 10 bolt backing plates fit on the 8 lug 14 bolt? I need to be able to run my 15" wheels

Also, what is the difference in driveshaft length between the 10b and 14b?
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Old Jan 6, 2016 | 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by GMCtrk
I'm guessing they won't, but will 10 bolt backing plates fit on the 8 lug 14 bolt? I need to be able to run my 15" wheels

Also, what is the difference in driveshaft length between the 10b and 14b?
If you are talking about a 2000+ 8 lug 14SF, no. The flanges are completely different. The driveshaft should not need modification. I did not have to change anything except the the Ujoint when swapping this axle into my 95.
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Old Jan 6, 2016 | 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by axisT6
Right. HOW is the 9.5 a power robber? It is essentially a 10 bolt with bigger parts.

Sure, by virtue of the individual parts being slightly larger, increased mass and friction resulting from that does consume more power (fractionally). Also the axle weights more, but not by much.

I would say that if you swapped the 14 bolt SF in place of a 10 bolt, you wouldn't be able to tell a difference by the seat of the pants. There may be slight differences on the dyno and the 1/4, but again, I see the differences being trivial.

I am also speaking from the context of having built plenty of both axles and from swapping a 14SF in my own truck. That said I have never done a dyno comparison or 1/4 mile time comparison.
Rotating mass is known to rob power

Larger rears always take away power
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Old Jan 6, 2016 | 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by GMCtrk
I'm guessing they won't, but will 10 bolt backing plates fit on the 8 lug 14 bolt? I need to be able to run my 15" wheels

Also, what is the difference in driveshaft length between the 10b and 14b?
Next to none
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Old Jan 6, 2016 | 10:39 AM
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What would be the options for 15" wheels?
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