which wideband kits
Oct 5, 2015 | 07:06 PM
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NGK AFX....the original, not the one for sale now. It's also rebranded and sold by Bellanger I believe. It uses the highest quality wideband for the price, much better than the bosch. The only downside is the ugly display box, but you can buy an analog gauge for it from Speedhut.
Oct 5, 2015 | 10:44 PM
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Oct 5, 2015 | 10:47 PM
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Home » Shop » Wideband O2 » O2 Controller » AFR500 - Air Fuel Ratio Monitor Kit - Wideband O2 System
Q. Why offer the NTK AFRM and the AFR500?
A. The Powerdex AFX was discontinued to provide better margins with the NTK AFRM. While still the NTK AFRM is an excellent system, the AFR500 continues the calibration quality that the Powerdex AFX brought to the market. The NTK AFRM is a new architecture using a new sensor. We sell both and believe there is room in the market both for a budget NTK system and our calibration quality AFR500. Many of our customers want to use the well proven NTK and Bosch sensors with the known reliability and excellent track record that the prior system offered. To meet this need, we released the AFR500. The Powerdex AFX controller is identical to the AFR500 and therefore they share the same dimensions, specifications, features, & function.
Q. Should I get an NTK AFRM or an AFR500?
A. The AFR500 has a long, proven track record providing the accuracy, reliability & precision of systems typically costing $1500 or more. The AFR500 also works with several sensor options while the NTK AFRM only works with a single sensor type, only available from Ballenger Motorsports (SNSR-01006). The NTK AFRM was designed by a different group to meet a tighter budget. A simple explanation is that the NTK AFRM is an excellent consumer grade product while the AFR500 is an affordable professional grade product.
Q. Can you explain these NTK sensor options?
A. The NTK sensors come with varying levels of capability based on their intended usage. Most systems will simply offer an NTK sensor as a single option which can be misleading when you are comparing lab grade equipment at high cost to a system using the lowest cost sensor in the same family. We have chosen to provide customers with a full range of offerings.
Q. Is the NTK sensor better than the Bosch sensor?
A. In some cases, yes. For leaded fuel, for periodic moisture, or contaminant exposure the NTK sensor family clearly demonstrates superior performance. Many tuners have reported thousands of dyno hours on NTK sensors with leaded fuel while the Bosch sensors die quickly with lead. No sensor is immune from poor tuning however and a rich misfiring and exhaust backfiring engine can damage even the most expensive sensor in a matter of minutes. For a casual street user on pump gas, there is a less discernible advantage for the higher cost sensors.
Q. Can you break down the sensor options further?
A. Sure, here is a more structured breakdown:
Standard Bosch Sensor: This is the sensor NGK packaged with the Powerdex AFX in 2010 and earlier. A solid sensor used in the majority of aftermarket widebands and many OEM vehicle applications
Production Grade NTK Sensor: This is the sensor NGK packaged with the Powerdex AFX in 2010 and later. Newer and lower cost than the Calibration Grade NTK Sensor, this sensor offers the benefits of the NTK architecture at a reduced price.
Calibration Grade NTK Sensor: This is a more robust and slightly more accurate NTK sensor typically used in higher end systems. The reputation of the NTK sensor was largely built upon this sensor.
Lab Grade NTK Sensor: This is a highly accurate NTK sensor used previously only in systems costing $1500 or more.
Q. Why is the AFR500 special? Why do pro tuners recommend it so heavily? Why is it better than other products?
A. The AFR500 and the Powerdex AFX before it set a new benchmark in price / performance for the aftermarket. OEMs & Laboratories use extremely accurate and expensive hardware during calibration and detailed analysis for oxygen concentration values. Prior to the AFR500 & Powerdex AFX, this accuracy was only available at high cost and typically only known by pro tuners and professional calibrators.
In the single instance of the AFR500, a major OEM supplier leveraged their relationship with the most respected laboratory & calibration equipment manufacturer to create an entirely new grade of product. While the AFR500 does not offer the bells and whistles of some systems, pro tuners quickly learned they were dealing with professional quality equipment that they previously paid thousands of dollars for at an incredible price point. With a wide range of sensor options available, the AFR500 allows tuners and consumers alike to use true calibration grade equipment at an incredible price point!
Most aftermarket companies represent groups of entrepreneurs hoping to capitalize on a market niche that was not being adequately served. While other aftermarket products offer many ancillary features, their reverse engineering has only taken their fundamental function to a point of nearly as good. The AFR500 offers unrivaled accuracy, reliability and sensor longevity at this price point.
Q. Why offer the NTK AFRM and the AFR500?
A. The Powerdex AFX was discontinued to provide better margins with the NTK AFRM. While still the NTK AFRM is an excellent system, the AFR500 continues the calibration quality that the Powerdex AFX brought to the market. The NTK AFRM is a new architecture using a new sensor. We sell both and believe there is room in the market both for a budget NTK system and our calibration quality AFR500. Many of our customers want to use the well proven NTK and Bosch sensors with the known reliability and excellent track record that the prior system offered. To meet this need, we released the AFR500. The Powerdex AFX controller is identical to the AFR500 and therefore they share the same dimensions, specifications, features, & function.
Q. Should I get an NTK AFRM or an AFR500?
A. The AFR500 has a long, proven track record providing the accuracy, reliability & precision of systems typically costing $1500 or more. The AFR500 also works with several sensor options while the NTK AFRM only works with a single sensor type, only available from Ballenger Motorsports (SNSR-01006). The NTK AFRM was designed by a different group to meet a tighter budget. A simple explanation is that the NTK AFRM is an excellent consumer grade product while the AFR500 is an affordable professional grade product.
Q. Can you explain these NTK sensor options?
A. The NTK sensors come with varying levels of capability based on their intended usage. Most systems will simply offer an NTK sensor as a single option which can be misleading when you are comparing lab grade equipment at high cost to a system using the lowest cost sensor in the same family. We have chosen to provide customers with a full range of offerings.
Q. Is the NTK sensor better than the Bosch sensor?
A. In some cases, yes. For leaded fuel, for periodic moisture, or contaminant exposure the NTK sensor family clearly demonstrates superior performance. Many tuners have reported thousands of dyno hours on NTK sensors with leaded fuel while the Bosch sensors die quickly with lead. No sensor is immune from poor tuning however and a rich misfiring and exhaust backfiring engine can damage even the most expensive sensor in a matter of minutes. For a casual street user on pump gas, there is a less discernible advantage for the higher cost sensors.
Q. Can you break down the sensor options further?
A. Sure, here is a more structured breakdown:
Standard Bosch Sensor: This is the sensor NGK packaged with the Powerdex AFX in 2010 and earlier. A solid sensor used in the majority of aftermarket widebands and many OEM vehicle applications
Production Grade NTK Sensor: This is the sensor NGK packaged with the Powerdex AFX in 2010 and later. Newer and lower cost than the Calibration Grade NTK Sensor, this sensor offers the benefits of the NTK architecture at a reduced price.
Calibration Grade NTK Sensor: This is a more robust and slightly more accurate NTK sensor typically used in higher end systems. The reputation of the NTK sensor was largely built upon this sensor.
Lab Grade NTK Sensor: This is a highly accurate NTK sensor used previously only in systems costing $1500 or more.
Q. Why is the AFR500 special? Why do pro tuners recommend it so heavily? Why is it better than other products?
A. The AFR500 and the Powerdex AFX before it set a new benchmark in price / performance for the aftermarket. OEMs & Laboratories use extremely accurate and expensive hardware during calibration and detailed analysis for oxygen concentration values. Prior to the AFR500 & Powerdex AFX, this accuracy was only available at high cost and typically only known by pro tuners and professional calibrators.
In the single instance of the AFR500, a major OEM supplier leveraged their relationship with the most respected laboratory & calibration equipment manufacturer to create an entirely new grade of product. While the AFR500 does not offer the bells and whistles of some systems, pro tuners quickly learned they were dealing with professional quality equipment that they previously paid thousands of dollars for at an incredible price point. With a wide range of sensor options available, the AFR500 allows tuners and consumers alike to use true calibration grade equipment at an incredible price point!
Most aftermarket companies represent groups of entrepreneurs hoping to capitalize on a market niche that was not being adequately served. While other aftermarket products offer many ancillary features, their reverse engineering has only taken their fundamental function to a point of nearly as good. The AFR500 offers unrivaled accuracy, reliability and sensor longevity at this price point.
Oct 5, 2015 | 11:52 PM
#9
That contradicts the info on the website in your link and what you pasted into your last post. They both state that the Bosch sensor was used in the NTK kits prior to 2010, and later kits include a "Production Grade NTK Sensor: This is the sensor NGK packaged with the Powerdex AFX in 2010 and later. Newer and lower cost than the Calibration Grade NTK Sensor, this sensor offers the benefits of the NTK architecture at a reduced price."
