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Old Dec 19, 2008 | 11:57 PM
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I ran across this while doing some twin turbo research
Pumping ability changes with compressor speed (and in a nonlinear way!). Below about 40,000 RPMs, boost pressure is off-the-map low because centrifugal compressor pumping is an exponential function (at first, almost nothing, eventually tons). The compressor has to accelerate from essentially zero to 40,000 RPMS before you see any boost on the gauge at all.

And everything depends on everything else: Compressor air flow depends on compressor size and trim, speed and discharge pressure. Compressor speed depends on compressor discharge pressure and air flow, and available turbine energy. Air flow depends on instantaneous compressor thermal efficiency, engine displacement, engine volumetric efficiency, engine speed, intercooler efficiency, ambient air temperature, and throttle angle, as well as turbine speed and torque. Turbine speed depends on compressor load, exhaust energy, turbine size and trim, turbine nozzle size and leverage, the reactants-to-products ratio of combustion, exhaust pulse speed, exhaust volume, exhaust gas temperature, and exhaust manifold pressure--all of which depend on engine displacement, engine speed, boost pressure, air-fuel ratio, and all of which are changing constantly as the engine speed and rate of acceleration go up and down. And that's not even considering the effect of the wastegate strategy (how and when you bypass exhaust gases around the turbine to prevent overboost).
I LOVE it.. LMFAO... and THAT is WHY TURBOS ARE BETTER AT MAKING POWER! K.I.S.S.!!!!!
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Old Dec 20, 2008 | 08:48 AM
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SO what your sayin, is if I step on the petal the boost will go UP?
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Old Dec 20, 2008 | 09:30 AM
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Well that explains it all.
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Old Dec 20, 2008 | 10:56 AM
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Sure am glad it's not complicated.
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Old Dec 20, 2008 | 11:21 AM
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turbo charger?
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Old Dec 20, 2008 | 11:23 AM
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Please post a link to the source when you're quoting a remote page.

And in response, this is why a supercharger is so much easier to understand...open throttle = boost
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Originally Posted by trever1t
Please post a link to the source when you're quoting a remote page.
why??
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But A spercharger is not simple at all. Especially a posi blower like everyone has around here. The only reason why people make it work is because they keep with motor sizing and cam sizing down to a minimum. Its until they start doing crazy builds do they not understand what has to happen to one.

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Originally Posted by Wilde Racing
why??
Because he wants to read so he can ask me questions....dont you get it? Gosh!!!

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