STS vs Magnacharger
Aug 27, 2007 | 09:52 PM
#42
I will agree that the STS doesnt have much low end power..
At our local track which is only 500' i ran a 8.3 with a hypertech, Intake, Magnaflow w/stock cats.
with the STS and 3000 Stall i ran a 7.9.. i was hopping for a better time but my 60' is really constant at a 2.20. Im still not good on the tree or gettin off the line but im still learning since if only been to a track bout 4 times.
but ive never seen or ridden in a Centrifugal/blower truck so i have nothin to compare it too..
Im proud of mine though since ive done everything except build the transmission..
At our local track which is only 500' i ran a 8.3 with a hypertech, Intake, Magnaflow w/stock cats.
with the STS and 3000 Stall i ran a 7.9.. i was hopping for a better time but my 60' is really constant at a 2.20. Im still not good on the tree or gettin off the line but im still learning since if only been to a track bout 4 times.
but ive never seen or ridden in a Centrifugal/blower truck so i have nothin to compare it too..
Im proud of mine though since ive done everything except build the transmission..
Aug 27, 2007 | 10:06 PM
#43
Originally Posted by slowec
When the heat is around 100* and your hot lapping the Maggie can't hang. The magnacharged truck has twice the money in mods than I do. It has 3.73s and a locker to my G80 and 342s. He has a built trans to my tawaniese servoed 100k stocker. he has a 5.3 headers ,cam 216/224-114 Vinci ,roller rockers, thats dyno tuned by vinci to my junkyard 6.0/sts/street tuned. He has cal tracks and adjustable ranchos to my 100k w/t suspension w/homemade leaf clamps. He has 28/12.50/16 et streets to my stock 235/75/16 goodyears. Both trucks were heat soaked and having a bad day all together, but the point is my truck lost in the 60 ft and pulled to a .9 lead at the traps. Both trucks were running 5 psi!!! 
I'll try and find the slip so I can post it but. This is my best description of what happened. Trust me, we both have a list of problem/excuses to whine about, but at the end of the day the STS prevailed and thats all we have to go on cause you Cali boys just talk about racing...IE, one day there will be the great sts-brian/maggie-grippy showdown 
Here in the south , we run what we bring and hope we brought enough 
I'll try and find the slip so I can post it but. This is my best description of what happened. Trust me, we both have a list of problem/excuses to whine about, but at the end of the day the STS prevailed and thats all we have to go on cause you Cali boys just talk about racing...IE, one day there will be the great sts-brian/maggie-grippy showdown Here in the south , we run what we bring and hope we brought enough Just not sure if I agree with your comparison of mods.. Several things you talk about are irrellevant though. A built trans is not going to make you faster if yours is not slipping. 3.42's are going to help you load the turbo better than the 3.73's. Since the STS lacks the low end grunt, you are not going to need the locker or slicks. Your 6.0 still probably has more power than his cammed 5.3 with headers both before boost. We see cammed 5.3's having trouble breaking the 300rwhp mark, not to mention the torque differences. 5psi on a 6.0 is not the same as 5psi on 5.3.
I think that a properly set up STS will walk a Maggie at the same psi.. I have seen WildeRacing bust out 11.4's. I dont think any maggie truck 112 ecsb 4wd will come close to that.
Aug 27, 2007 | 10:40 PM
#44
I have a traction problem with my truck at the track on the Toyos...
one pass i got about 2psi off the line and spun through first and till about 65 in second... i didnt let out because i thought it was goin to catch once it hit 2nd gear.... i was wrong...
Im saving up for ALKY Control and some MT Street Radials...
one pass i got about 2psi off the line and spun through first and till about 65 in second... i didnt let out because i thought it was goin to catch once it hit 2nd gear.... i was wrong...
Im saving up for ALKY Control and some MT Street Radials...
Aug 27, 2007 | 10:49 PM
#45
I don't know why people think the STS lacks low end at the track. If you tune it right, have a higher stall and wrap your exhuast, then there's no reason you shouldn't be leaving at full or near full boost as long as boost is around 10psi. I understand in slowec's case he probably shouldn't be leaving at full boost without slicks, but it is possible with the STS setup.
Where STS's lack serious low end is on the street. It's just painful if you know any better.
Where STS's lack serious low end is on the street. It's just painful if you know any better.
Aug 27, 2007 | 10:55 PM
#46
would it be too much if i took a poo and posted a picture of it?
The guy won, maggies get alot of hype, he has a beater set up and won against a pretty well modded truck for arguements sake. Yeah, 6.0 vs 5.3, yeah tons of other stuff, who cares... he won. 5psi 100* of heat, no secret, radix HATES, FREAKING HATES heat. His setup was superior(including the bigger motor, lighter wheel set up, ect..).
I was to busy reading all the mud slingin (and that BC avatar KICKS ***), what were the times? I know you said you don't have slips. Do you remember Trap and MPH. Who tuned these puppies also? That maggie was tuned by whom?
No reason to knock all those other non-speed related items, those are his mods for his reasons. Congrats on the win slowec.
The guy won, maggies get alot of hype, he has a beater set up and won against a pretty well modded truck for arguements sake. Yeah, 6.0 vs 5.3, yeah tons of other stuff, who cares... he won. 5psi 100* of heat, no secret, radix HATES, FREAKING HATES heat. His setup was superior(including the bigger motor, lighter wheel set up, ect..).
I was to busy reading all the mud slingin (and that BC avatar KICKS ***), what were the times? I know you said you don't have slips. Do you remember Trap and MPH. Who tuned these puppies also? That maggie was tuned by whom?
No reason to knock all those other non-speed related items, those are his mods for his reasons. Congrats on the win slowec.
Aug 27, 2007 | 10:57 PM
#47
Originally Posted by vanillagorilla
I don't know why people think the STS lacks low end at the track. If you tune it right, have a higher stall and wrap your exhuast, then there's no reason you shouldn't be leaving at full or near full boost as long as boost is around 10psi. I understand in slowec's case he probably shouldn't be leaving at full boost without slicks, but it is possible with the STS setup.
Where STS's lack serious low end is on the street. It's just painful if you know any better.
Where STS's lack serious low end is on the street. It's just painful if you know any better.
I love the whistle of a turbo and the whine of a blower...and they do serve different purposes..
Aug 27, 2007 | 11:51 PM
#48
Correct me if I am wrong but, I dont think that 5psi on the maggie is the same as the 5 on the rear mount, even if its on the same motor. PSI is how much preasure at the manifold. For every turn in the intake piping is a restriction, and there is alot of turns in the intake piping of the sts. I dont think the maggie will have the same issues there. 5 psi does not tell us how much CFM the motor is seeing with the two blowers. We need compressor maps to see the cfm of the the 2 blowers at 5psi. Right? We don't have that info to really compare.
Aug 28, 2007 | 12:07 AM
#49
Originally Posted by TURBO8
Correct me if I am wrong but, I dont think that 5psi on the maggie is the same as the 5 on the rear mount, even if its on the same motor. PSI is how much preasure at the manifold. For every turn in the intake piping is a restriction, and there is alot of turns in the intake piping of the sts. I dont think the maggie will have the same issues there. 5 psi does not tell us how much CFM the motor is seeing with the two blowers. We need compressor maps to see the cfm of the the 2 blowers at 5psi. Right? We don't have that info to really compare.
If he has his Wastegate Reference to this Intake Manifold they should both have 5psi...
Correct??
I think your talkin about something else...
CFM... i would think that for 5psi on the 6.0 it would have more air, compared to the 5psi on the 5.3?
Aug 28, 2007 | 12:31 AM
#50
Originally Posted by TURBO8
Correct me if I am wrong but, I dont think that 5psi on the maggie is the same as the 5 on the rear mount, even if its on the same motor. PSI is how much preasure at the manifold. For every turn in the intake piping is a restriction, and there is alot of turns in the intake piping of the sts. I dont think the maggie will have the same issues there. 5 psi does not tell us how much CFM the motor is seeing with the two blowers. We need compressor maps to see the cfm of the the 2 blowers at 5psi. Right? We don't have that info to really compare.