Forcing Myself soon
#71
Originally Posted by Linda
Sorry I dont have any pictures yet, i did take some but i didnt come in from the garage until late last night so i havent had time to upload them yet. I will definatly upload some tonight.
Besides, for what Whipple charges, they should include a camera to all Performance Truck members who purchase from them.
#72
Okay first the good news, everything is installed. Not major problems, needed an extea hose clamp and a few vacuum tee's. Only thing left is to permenantly mount the gauges. Here are a few pics....
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y26...4/IMG_1181.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y26...4/IMG_1186.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y26...4/IMG_1179.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y26...4/IMG_1188.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y26...4/IMG_1189.jpg
Now the bad news.....the truck will not start. It ran fine after i put the new plugs and injectors in so I know its not that. It must be the PCM i guess. Wester's sent me an upgraded PCM to account for my larger injectors and boost and now it wont start. It does fire up for a split second and shuts right down, then it will just crank over and spit a little. If i let it set for a minute and try again, it will try to fire up and just shut right down again. I wonder if it will run at all with the other PCM I took out? That way i could be sure thats what it is. I checked and double checked to be sure everything i unplugged was plugged back in, im sure its not anything like that. I am going to send Wester's an Email and try and give them a call in the morning. If anyone has any ideas let me know. Somehow I knew it would be as easy as it seemed to be going.
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y26...4/IMG_1181.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y26...4/IMG_1186.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y26...4/IMG_1179.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y26...4/IMG_1188.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y26...4/IMG_1189.jpg
Now the bad news.....the truck will not start. It ran fine after i put the new plugs and injectors in so I know its not that. It must be the PCM i guess. Wester's sent me an upgraded PCM to account for my larger injectors and boost and now it wont start. It does fire up for a split second and shuts right down, then it will just crank over and spit a little. If i let it set for a minute and try again, it will try to fire up and just shut right down again. I wonder if it will run at all with the other PCM I took out? That way i could be sure thats what it is. I checked and double checked to be sure everything i unplugged was plugged back in, im sure its not anything like that. I am going to send Wester's an Email and try and give them a call in the morning. If anyone has any ideas let me know. Somehow I knew it would be as easy as it seemed to be going.
#73
Thanks for the pics, looks great. You don't have the security message on the dash, do you? Go ahead and put the stock PCM in, it won't hurt anything as long as you don't get on it any.
#74
No, no warning lights are coming on. I will throw the other PCM in tomorrow and see what happens, I hope thats all it is. With such a simple kit like this one with no electronics or anything, it doesnt seem like it could be anything else. She looks good sitting in there though...sure would be nice if it was functional.....
#76
Thanks DrX, but i did double/triple check all those. Looks like i might have the answer. Butch over at the GM trucks site told me this...
I had remembered hearing this some place before, so im going to try it out tomorrow and hope it works.
Sounds like you need to do the security relearn procedure linda!
PROCEDURE:
1.Insert key, attempt to start the vehicle and leave the key in the ON position.
In some vehicles, the Battery and Security light will blink for several seconds, and then shut off. Then the Security light will then remain ON. Leave the ignition ON until the Security light goes OFF. This will take more than 5 mins.
2.When the Security light goes OFF, turn the ignition to the OFF position.
Leave ignition OFF for 20 Seconds.
3.Attempt to start the vehicle again and leave the key in the ON position.
In some vehicles, the Battery and Security light will blink for several seconds, and then shut off. Then the Security light will then remain ON. Leave the ignition ON until the Security light goes OFF. This will take more than 5 mins.
4.Turn the ignition to the OFF position for 20 Seconds.
5.Attempt to start the vehicle again and leave the key in the ON position.
In some vehicles, the Battery and Security light will blink for several seconds, and then shut off. Then the Security light will then remain ON. Leave the ignition ON until the Security light goes OFF. This will take more than 5 mins.
6.Once this entire procedure has been completed (three times) your vehicle will start on the fourth attempt.
PROCEDURE:
1.Insert key, attempt to start the vehicle and leave the key in the ON position.
In some vehicles, the Battery and Security light will blink for several seconds, and then shut off. Then the Security light will then remain ON. Leave the ignition ON until the Security light goes OFF. This will take more than 5 mins.
2.When the Security light goes OFF, turn the ignition to the OFF position.
Leave ignition OFF for 20 Seconds.
3.Attempt to start the vehicle again and leave the key in the ON position.
In some vehicles, the Battery and Security light will blink for several seconds, and then shut off. Then the Security light will then remain ON. Leave the ignition ON until the Security light goes OFF. This will take more than 5 mins.
4.Turn the ignition to the OFF position for 20 Seconds.
5.Attempt to start the vehicle again and leave the key in the ON position.
In some vehicles, the Battery and Security light will blink for several seconds, and then shut off. Then the Security light will then remain ON. Leave the ignition ON until the Security light goes OFF. This will take more than 5 mins.
6.Once this entire procedure has been completed (three times) your vehicle will start on the fourth attempt.
#77
okay, turned out to be the security relearn. Went through the procedure and it started right up. It idled smooth and reved fine in park. I took it out for a spin and it had a real faint whine to it but it sounded very cool. I drove it for about a half hour....with some starting and stoping and full throttle runs to boot. I am trying to be as optomistic as possible here but it just didnt seem to have the kind of punch i was expecting. I was looking for a very distinct performance difference and it just didnt feel like it was all there. It was hitting about 5.5lbs of boost according to the gauge and if i were to give it gas at around 30-40mph it felt very strong, but from a dead stop it would not even spin any more than it did without the blower. At around 60 or so, if i punched it, it didnt launch out like i would have expected it to either. Maybe the PCM has to do some more learning, or maybe it needs to be dyno tuned. Right now though....im not extremely impressed, especially for the time and money invested. It seemed to very throttle sensitive but would not hit peak boost unless i floored it, then it would back out of boost very quickly as the throttle was depressed. I was just suprised that it would not really burn out any more than it did before. Maybe the torque management was not removed enough or something? I just hope there is some tuning or something that can be done to improve on it a little. I would appreciate any other whipple guys, big block or not to comment on thier first impressions when their blower was installed, am i expecting to much? I was looking for 100-150+ increase in torque and HP and it doesnt feel like i got that. Am i just expecting to much?
#78
I'm sure your mail order tune was set extremely concervative. An increase in boost to around 8psi and a street+dyno tune would be a must if it was mine. Great job on the install!
#79
Did you do a "Pre-Whipple" dyno? I talked the the guys at FBC the other day and they said they now have EFI-live for trucks....and I think I told you they had the Mustang Dyno w/ wideband. Give them a call and see what you really got. I remember the first time I sprayed my car. I thought it was going to feel like being shot from a cannon, and it only felt like it had another "passing gear"....and that was with a 125shot. I'm sure it's running strong....but that's a big *** truck to get moving.
#80
I went to Jason's place 2 weeks ago and got it dyno'ed. It dyno'ed at 247-RWHP and 361-RWTQ. I told him when i finished the install i would call and bring it back in. I will give him a shout and see when he has some time to get me in again.







