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Old Aug 28, 2012 | 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Area47
idc is what the ecm is commanding the injectors to do. doesn't necessarily mean it's out of injector.

check fuel pressure. just because it was fine yesterday doesn't mean it's going to be fine days later. my guess is your pump is dying.
IDC is just a formula, so over 100% and your injectors ARE maxed. You can make it command 105% or 200% and it still delivers the same amount of fuel.
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Old Aug 28, 2012 | 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by lglowe
Only thing that makes since to me is you said you added in 5* more timing. That makes a good bit of more horsepower and you can't make more horsepower without more fuel. My opinion... ; )
Thats tru.. but in reality it only added 3* so its better, but not that much extra power haha



Originally Posted by Area47
idc is what the ecm is commanding the injectors to do. doesn't necessarily mean it's out of injector.

check fuel pressure. just because it was fine yesterday doesn't mean it's going to be fine days later. my guess is your pump is dying.

yea my pump is several years old and make some loud noises.. my backlight in my guage is dead and it was night time so i couldnt see my pressure.


Originally Posted by 03sierraslt
Did you lean it out and find when you were done that it was at 120% or did you lean it out and it was lower then now all of a sudden it really high?
I hooked my meth up and was tuning for it. AFR was rich so i did auto ve and pulled quite a bit of fuel out and added some timing. then noticed it was running lean in the upper rpms and IDC was high.


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IDC is just a formula, so over 100% and your injectors ARE maxed. You can make it command 105% or 200% and it still delivers the same amount of fuel.
True.
Trying to get the tahoe fixed up so i can drive it while i save up and get the injectors and everything else for the truck....
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Old Aug 28, 2012 | 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by nonnieselman
True.
Trying to get the tahoe fixed up so i can drive it while i save up and get the injectors and everything else for the truck....
At 5644 RPM, one complete engine cycle (2 revolutions) takes ~21.26 milliseconds....you are commanding 25ms injector pulse time...25/21.26 = ~1.1758.
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Old Aug 28, 2012 | 10:54 AM
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So the 1.17 is the engine cycle??
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Old Aug 28, 2012 | 11:09 AM
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Basically 1.0 means the injector is firing during the whole revolution, so 1.17 means that it's commanding 17% more then full on.
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Old Aug 28, 2012 | 11:44 AM
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AH! thats where it comes up with 117%... ok im on the same page now.

Maybe i just need to run a bigger nozzle on the other side.. right now im runnin a 10 and a 5 i think.
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Old Aug 28, 2012 | 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by 03sierraslt
Basically 1.0 means the injector is firing during the whole revolution, so 1.17 means that it's commanding 17% more then full on.
X2. It's physically impossible to get 25ms worth of fuel in 21.26ms. 21.26m is the time it takes for the engine to go 2 revolutions (4 stroke engine) at 5644 rpms.
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Old Aug 28, 2012 | 02:06 PM
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I see..
Ill change the ramp rate of the methanol to hold me off.
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Old Aug 28, 2012 | 02:20 PM
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Adding timing will make it leaner, although for what you added in my expirence not near that much.
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Old Aug 28, 2012 | 02:32 PM
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I set it to shift early, so i can still mash on the gas for now.

looks like i can add two fuel pumps to my to do list before i get injectors also. No point in chancing it.
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