THE TRUCK STOP General Chat area. Religion and politics topics will undoubtedly be deleted. Anything over PG-13 is not allowed. WORK SAFE!

Hell Yeah Bush!

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jul 14, 2008 | 03:58 PM
  #31  
MeanZ71's Avatar
TECH Resident
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 779
Likes: 0
From: Tulsa, OK
Default

Originally Posted by trever1t
I just want to point out that not all the tree-hugging, left-wing, environmentalists live in California....see!
That's a no brainer since your driving an 11 sec Z71, keep on living the dream
Reply
Old Jul 14, 2008 | 03:59 PM
  #32  
BlackGMC's Avatar
Resident Retard
iTrader: (31)
 
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 17,216
Likes: 20
From: Fort Worth - TX
Default

Originally Posted by trever1t
I just want to point out that not all the tree-hugging, left-wing, environmentalists live in California....see!
True, like I said my GF is rubbing off on me... Like I said earlier I seriously doubt drilling CO and WY will happen too many enviromentalist and outdooresy people like myself will let it happen...

For example, how do you think this picture would look if an oil rig was in the picture.. BTW this was from my vacation last year to the Flat tops in CO...



Oh and forget drinking directly (with a water filter) out of mountain streams

Reply
Old Jul 14, 2008 | 05:16 PM
  #33  
1slow01Z71's Avatar
Thread Starter
Tin Foil Hat Wearin' Fool
iTrader: (36)
 
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 23,204
Likes: 4
From: Austin, TX
Default

Originally Posted by BlackGMC
I am not saying drilling sucked up all the water... However there was alot in the news about this last year when we were not allowed to water our yard but the drilling rigs were allowed all the water they want... You can live in a dust bowl if you want, however I have spent quite a bit of money on my yard, landscaping and planting trees not to water it...


So your saying that my foundation will not be affected one bit if it never gets watered again? the ground shrinking due to lack of moisture wont do anything, I am not doubting you because you work in the field, however it does not make sense to me...
Unless we get in a "dust-bowl" climate no. These days(as in last 20ish years) when a housing community is built the natural soil is stripped down to what is called subgrade, meaning all the organics are stripped from it and then a layer of engineered soil usual paving base which is usually a crushed limestone mix is a very stable soil. It has a low PI in the 3-10 range which means it doesnt absord very much moisture and isnt a very expansive soil unless inundated with water then it turns to mush but we are talking about the oppisite scenario. The building pads for homes is usually 18" thick of this engineered soil then there are beams cut through it with post tensioning cables running through those beams and then concrete is poured into it so the beams support the house as does the actual slab portion so unless you are in a highly expansive are IE clay then the slab should not shift. Multistory buildings are built on top of these pads with no problems. Now the bigger or concrete structures have piers that extend down the rock stratum are really uneffected by soil conditions due to being supports mostly by the columsn of concrete and steel that go all the way down into the ground in Austin which is usually a tan or grey limestone formation. My next project is a huge parking garage 2 stories below grade with 6, 6 story buildings on top of it that will have 60 foot cased piers supporting it, Ill have to take some pictures of the whole process its quite interesting if you are a building geek like myself.
Reply
Old Jul 14, 2008 | 05:20 PM
  #34  
BlackGMC's Avatar
Resident Retard
iTrader: (31)
 
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 17,216
Likes: 20
From: Fort Worth - TX
Default

Originally Posted by 1slow01Z71
Unless we get in a "dust-bowl" climate no. These days(as in last 20ish years) when a housing community is built the natural soil is stripped down to what is called subgrade, meaning all the organics are stripped from it and then a layer of engineered soil usual paving base which is usually a crushed limestone mix is a very stable soil. It has a low PI in the 3-10 range which means it doesnt absord very much moisture and isnt a very expansive soil unless inundated with water then it turns to mush but we are talking about the oppisite scenario. The building pads for homes is usually 18" thick of this engineered soil then there are beams cut through it with post tensioning cables running through those beams and then concrete is poured into it so the beams support the house as does the actual slab portion so unless you are in a highly expansive are IE clay then the slab should not shift. Multistory buildings are built on top of these pads with no problems. Now the bigger or concrete structures have piers that extend down the rock stratum are really uneffected by soil conditions due to being supports mostly by the columsn of concrete and steel that go all the way down into the ground in Austin which is usually a tan or grey limestone formation. My next project is a huge parking garage 2 stories below grade with 6, 6 story buildings on top of it that will have 60 foot cased piers supporting it, Ill have to take some pictures of the whole process its quite interesting if you are a building geek like myself.

Interesting, so older homes are affected by lack of moisture rather than new homes... That is some good info!!!

Anyways kinda got sidetracked on your thread sorry about that...
Reply
Old Jul 14, 2008 | 05:24 PM
  #35  
00ChevyScott's Avatar
Wearin' da big hat
iTrader: (10)
 
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 10,262
Likes: 9
From: Over There
Default

please post pictures, or even make your own thread for that project. That sounds really cool man. you're building a parking garage underneath buildings?
Reply
Old Jul 14, 2008 | 05:30 PM
  #36  
1slow01Z71's Avatar
Thread Starter
Tin Foil Hat Wearin' Fool
iTrader: (36)
 
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 23,204
Likes: 4
From: Austin, TX
Default

Originally Posted by BlackGMC
Interesting, so older homes are affected by lack of moisture rather than new homes... That is some good info!!!

Anyways kinda got sidetracked on your thread sorry about that...
No problem I like talking about my work I enjoy it most days.

Older home building practices as far as foundation is concerned are much better today now the quality of home they build on top of the slab...
Originally Posted by 00ChevyScott
please post pictures, or even make your own thread for that project. That sounds really cool man. you're building a parking garage underneath buildings?
No, we are excavating down about 40' and building the parking garage from there, the "top" of the parking garage will be at natural grade(regular ground level), then the 6 buildings will be built on top of the parking garage structure that is all below ground. Ill make a seperate thread about it as progress goes on the project, we start drilling at the end of the week so Ill just update the thread as construction goes on. Ill have to get some pics from the PM from the 31 story apartments I jsut finished before I broke my ankle a couple months ago.
Reply
Old Jul 14, 2008 | 07:13 PM
  #37  
dirt track racer 81's Avatar
TECH Senior Member
iTrader: (45)
 
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 9,439
Likes: 13
From: Hennessey, Oklahoma
Default

Originally Posted by BlackGMC
Well here in North Texas I see GAS rigs everywhere lately since they started getting all the natural gas from around here... Yes I am leasing my mineral rights and getting a check... YES you see the freaking rigs not to mention hear them 24/7... YES is does obstruct and RUIN the roads cause they have to truck all that gas out... Also the process of getting to Shale reserves consumes tons of water per drill site, which cause alot of other problems....
gas is not trucked out it goes down pipelines...
Reply
Old Jul 14, 2008 | 07:22 PM
  #38  
dirt track racer 81's Avatar
TECH Senior Member
iTrader: (45)
 
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 9,439
Likes: 13
From: Hennessey, Oklahoma
Default

Originally Posted by BlackGMC
I am not saying drilling sucked up all the water... However there was alot in the news about this last year when we were not allowed to water our yard but the drilling rigs were allowed all the water they want... You can live in a dust bowl if you want, however I have spent quite a bit of money on my yard, landscaping and planting trees not to water it...


So your saying that my foundation will not be affected one bit if it never gets watered again? the ground shrinking due to lack of moisture wont do anything, I am not doubting you because you work in the field, however it does not make sense to me...
unless the rigs were gettin the water from town water most rigs get water from lakes, rivers, creeks, or water wells..a well i was workin on the other day was 1/4 from a rig that was in a river valley and they had a pump on a trailor on the edge of the river and the basket was out in the river
Reply
Old Jul 14, 2008 | 07:26 PM
  #39  
dirt track racer 81's Avatar
TECH Senior Member
iTrader: (45)
 
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 9,439
Likes: 13
From: Hennessey, Oklahoma
Default

Originally Posted by BlackGMC
True, like I said my GF is rubbing off on me... Like I said earlier I seriously doubt drilling CO and WY will happen too many enviromentalist and outdooresy people like myself will let it happen...

For example, how do you think this picture would look if an oil rig was in the picture.. BTW this was from my vacation last year to the Flat tops in CO...



Oh and forget drinking directly (with a water filter) out of mountain streams

i think rigs in the back ground would be baddass..
Reply
Old Jul 14, 2008 | 07:38 PM
  #40  
dewmanshu's Avatar
Moderately Differentiated
20 Year Member
Liked
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 27,563
Likes: 3
From: Maryland
Default

We need "bookmark" abilities. I couldn't figure out where I was from when I left work. WOW
Reply



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:07 AM.