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Mar 30, 2005 | 10:56 PM
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From: Alpharetta, GA
Originally Posted by retsell
It all depends on the supplier. Basically here is how it works.
There are basically two types of sellers online:
1. Authorized dealers making unauthorized internet sales. For instance, I manage my shop, but want to make a few bucks on the side. I put a ton of product on the internet under a different name, and sell it. Since it's just extra money for me, I don't need to make much profit. I may only make 100 bucks a day, not near enough for a business, but a good chunk of tax free money. This type of "seller" is typically the cheapest, since they have direct accounts and absolutely no overhead. This is breach of contract on the dealer's part and they can be cut off from the line. The manufacturer can (and have) sue the dealer for "lost profit due to being forced to remove that line from the dealer"
2. Unauthorized dealers purchasing products through distrobution. Distributors charge a little more than the manufacturer, but about 50% of them are crooked and will sell to internet suppliers (breech of contract on their part) These suppliers are typically the more expensive internet companies. The good thing about these guys (for me) is that reputable manufacturers are going after these guys sueing them for trademark infringements since they are not allowed to use their logos etc...
I purchase products from Rockford, JL Audio, Diamond Audio, Clarion, Eclipse, Memphis, Focal, and Hooker Audio (wire and cable). I am direct with all those guys, I use distributors for little stuff like video systems and some satellite radio equipment. I pay the same price as any other shop (except for best buy and the big box stores with Rockford, which we are dropping). You get benefits from selling more product with VIR (volume incentive rebates) and you get a DFI (discount from invoice) depending on how much product you buy at once.
If people come in with an ebay add, once you add in shipping which they rape you on, I can be somewhat competitive, but I wont match it (in most cases) because I can't run a business that way, i'll go under. I get customers all the time that I gain from the internet, all it takes is getting burned to move you over. I'm not saying it's dumb to be frugal, but I'm just asking that people figure in the value of customer service and knowledge.
Everyone here likes to listen to their stuff before they purchase it right? You don't buy shoes without trying them on. You do that with my sound board or a buddies car. It's not cool to come in and waste my time "acting" like you're gonna buy, and then go buy it online, just remember, a good small shop will take care of you if you need it. There are tons of times I have warrantied out of warranty product for customers, or given them a nicer radio for the same price b/c I didn't have the one they had in stock (loosing money there) mainly cause they will come back. I pull people's cars around and fix their shitty connections for free when they try and install stuff themselves and fail. Don't you think that''s worth something?
I guess I should stop thread jacking now...
There are basically two types of sellers online:
1. Authorized dealers making unauthorized internet sales. For instance, I manage my shop, but want to make a few bucks on the side. I put a ton of product on the internet under a different name, and sell it. Since it's just extra money for me, I don't need to make much profit. I may only make 100 bucks a day, not near enough for a business, but a good chunk of tax free money. This type of "seller" is typically the cheapest, since they have direct accounts and absolutely no overhead. This is breach of contract on the dealer's part and they can be cut off from the line. The manufacturer can (and have) sue the dealer for "lost profit due to being forced to remove that line from the dealer"
2. Unauthorized dealers purchasing products through distrobution. Distributors charge a little more than the manufacturer, but about 50% of them are crooked and will sell to internet suppliers (breech of contract on their part) These suppliers are typically the more expensive internet companies. The good thing about these guys (for me) is that reputable manufacturers are going after these guys sueing them for trademark infringements since they are not allowed to use their logos etc...
I purchase products from Rockford, JL Audio, Diamond Audio, Clarion, Eclipse, Memphis, Focal, and Hooker Audio (wire and cable). I am direct with all those guys, I use distributors for little stuff like video systems and some satellite radio equipment. I pay the same price as any other shop (except for best buy and the big box stores with Rockford, which we are dropping). You get benefits from selling more product with VIR (volume incentive rebates) and you get a DFI (discount from invoice) depending on how much product you buy at once.
If people come in with an ebay add, once you add in shipping which they rape you on, I can be somewhat competitive, but I wont match it (in most cases) because I can't run a business that way, i'll go under. I get customers all the time that I gain from the internet, all it takes is getting burned to move you over. I'm not saying it's dumb to be frugal, but I'm just asking that people figure in the value of customer service and knowledge.
Everyone here likes to listen to their stuff before they purchase it right? You don't buy shoes without trying them on. You do that with my sound board or a buddies car. It's not cool to come in and waste my time "acting" like you're gonna buy, and then go buy it online, just remember, a good small shop will take care of you if you need it. There are tons of times I have warrantied out of warranty product for customers, or given them a nicer radio for the same price b/c I didn't have the one they had in stock (loosing money there) mainly cause they will come back. I pull people's cars around and fix their shitty connections for free when they try and install stuff themselves and fail. Don't you think that''s worth something?
I guess I should stop thread jacking now...
Mar 30, 2005 | 11:05 PM
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My family owns a small business and believe me I understand the struggles. Why don't you open up an ebay business. Sell your stuff online so you don't have to waste time with customers. I'm just saying that the customer is always right so do whatever it takes to get his business. Don't bitch at the customer because he went somewhere else, instead try to win him over with incentives.
Mar 31, 2005 | 08:49 AM
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From: Norman, OK
Originally Posted by maximumrebel1
My family owns a small business and believe me I understand the struggles. Why don't you open up an ebay business. Sell your stuff online so you don't have to waste time with customers. I'm just saying that the customer is always right so do whatever it takes to get his business. Don't bitch at the customer because he went somewhere else, instead try to win him over with incentives.
2nd reason: I think the product is worth it. Let's say I own Magnuson Products (Radix blowers.) I set MSRP at 5999.95 because that is what the product is worth compared to similar products on the market. Yeah, I can make some people deals on them, but for the most part they sell for over 5000.00. Well, I don't want to sell to the public for the most part, so I get retailers to sell it for me, and I sell it to the retailers. Since these guys buy several units a year, they get them for say.... 4000.00 (not using actual dealer cost, just out of my ***) Now, John Doe is a dealer for Magnuson, and decides to sell these blowers online for some extra cash for 4100.00 each. TByrne, Nelson Performance, etc.. all get pissed off because now they can't make any money on the product. Magnuson is going to be mad, because now their blower is only worth 4100.00 because they are getting sold for that....and the saga goes on.
Nobody on here complains about the markup of performance products.
Mar 31, 2005 | 01:06 PM
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From: Pueblo de Nuestra Señora la Reina de los Ángeles de la Porciúncula
Originally Posted by retsell
You don't have to audition your speakers to know if they sound good to you? And in case you didn't notice, all that product you purchased is obtained illegally. The authorized dealer who originally purchased the product from the manufacturer signed a contract protaining to internet sales. Purchase things from whoever you want, I just don't see the value. You save a couple now, pay later...
Speakers on a wall isn't the same as in my truck. That was my point, you don't get to try out the speakers before you buy them...whether you go to a car audio shop or just buy them from the Internet.
Mar 31, 2005 | 04:03 PM
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From: Fresno/Chico
Originally Posted by retsell
All that stuff retsell said
Mail-order shopping has been around longer then the internet. The internet makes it easier.
Companies like crutchfield have been around much longer then the internet has.
Mar 31, 2005 | 10:27 PM
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From: Norman, OK
Originally Posted by Chingon
Yes, but...you're telling me that if I go into your shop you will install and uninstall 2 or 3(or more) sets of speakers into my truck so I can hear how they sound in the cab and then choose the ones I like best? Let me guess, you have different brands of speakers hooked up to a wall and can play them...like at Best Buy or Circuit City or what have you?
Speakers on a wall isn't the same as in my truck. That was my point, you don't get to try out the speakers before you buy them...whether you go to a car audio shop or just buy them from the Internet.
Speakers on a wall isn't the same as in my truck. That was my point, you don't get to try out the speakers before you buy them...whether you go to a car audio shop or just buy them from the Internet.
IMO speakers sound their worst in a sound board. If you like them on the board, you'll love them in your vehicle. I won't put them in if they won't perform at least as good or better than the board. If you go to a shop, buy set of speakers that you heard in the board, and they sound worse in your chevy truck, they fucked you more than likely. Be sure to ask them if they have an amp on them. If so, make sure it's the same RMS output as your amplifier. When auditioning speakers, bring your own CD, don't listen to what they show you, Some speakers sound great with Jazz, but like **** when you throw some rock at them. Listen to a variety of mustic that you listen to. If you don't listen to rap for instance, you don't need to audition them with rap, don't waste your time.
Also, there have been a few times where I put speakers in a person's car and they didn't like them, I have no problem swapping out something instead. I'm not going to put three sets of speakers in your car for no charge. I'll put a set in, you don't like them i'll put something else in, still don't like them? We'll have a problem there. If you bring in a set from the internet and don't like them? Well, if you buy a set from me I wont charge you to swap them out, but if you want me to swap another internet set for free you can kiss my ***.
Mar 31, 2005 | 10:28 PM
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From: Norman, OK
Originally Posted by GoldenVelvet
A shop like yours needs to focus on customer service and installs. You can not buy an install on-line. You can not buy a custom, one of a kind box on-line.
Mail-order shopping has been around longer then the internet. The internet makes it easier.
Companies like crutchfield have been around much longer then the internet has.
Mail-order shopping has been around longer then the internet. The internet makes it easier.
Companies like crutchfield have been around much longer then the internet has.
Mar 31, 2005 | 11:53 PM
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People will go wherever they can get a good deal. If you can't give them the best deal then you are screwed. What golden velvet said is true. There are alot of things you can do as far as installs that the internet can't. If people by shitty stuff online it's their own fault. Local shops get reputations for doing either good or bad work. I would pay good money to have my system put in correctly the first time. If you are the best at what you do you will make money.
Apr 8, 2005 | 01:55 PM
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From: Mission to Uranus
Originally Posted by fastinspirit02
Hehe back to the dynamat subject...
I'd really like to do this as well, I seem to have alot of highway road noise and I would LOVE to quiet it down some. Is it necessary to do the roof as well? how difficult is it to remove seats/carpet and all of that stuff?
Thanks
I'd really like to do this as well, I seem to have alot of highway road noise and I would LOVE to quiet it down some. Is it necessary to do the roof as well? how difficult is it to remove seats/carpet and all of that stuff?
Thanks