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Old Sep 4, 2014 | 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by GMCtrk
I have the NGK AFX wideband and their display only shows in the gasoline scale. So, when my gauge shows 14.6 I know that my true AFR is 9.8, given that I was running E85.

Now, only my EFI live scan tool, I have a PID set up to display the AFR in the E85 scale, so on there is does display the correct AFR. Regardless though, the AFR is not that important to me. Lambda is what I'm after. It would be nice if the gauge had the option to show in lambda, but either way its fine.
Thanks that's all I was asking for.

The thing that confuses me if why you say AFR is not important but lambda is. They are showing the same thing... one is just a multiple (by 14.7 on your gauge and by 9.8 in EFI). So in a way that statement is kind of contradictory.... and now I'm just being a pain in the ***. Please dont take that as me not knowing what lambda is

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Old Sep 4, 2014 | 06:35 PM
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I was simply trying to ask if his gauge was showing him lambda (1) or Lambda on a scale of 9.76 for ethanol.



Here I fixed it for you:

I was simply trying to ask if his gauge was showing him lambda (1) or AFR on a scale of 9.76 for ethanol.
Lambda is lambda. Lambda is not AFR.
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Old Sep 4, 2014 | 06:39 PM
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I am pretty sure it alternates which cylinders it cuts and can retard them all if needed. You are overthinking this. Set the rpm you want and let it do its job. If you arent building enough boost, set it higher or make sure your gate is staying closed.
How do I check to see if my wastegate is staying shut?
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Old Sep 4, 2014 | 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Vortec350ss
Thanks that's all I was asking for.

The thing that confuses me if why you say AFR is not important but lambda is. They are showing the same thing... one is just a multiple (by 14.7 on your gauge and by 9.8 in EFI). So in a way that statement is kind of contradictory.... and now I'm just being a pain in the ***. Please dont take that as me not knowing what lambda is

Because converting what the gauge is showing to the actual AFR for ethanol is another calculation I have to do in my head on the fly. It would be much easier if it just showed lambda.
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Old Sep 4, 2014 | 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by oakley6575


Here I fixed it for you:



Lambda is lambda. Lambda is not AFR.
Alright you got me there. I used the wrong word. But I know you knew what I meant.

Edit: and at the end of the day it really is a multiple of lambda, not a true AFR. For example I run pump 93 and both my gauge and HPT show AFR on the gasoline scale. My fuel is really e10. So the AFR I'm reading is false. It's a multiple of lambda on the gasoline scale, which I'm very used to and comfortable with, not true AFR.

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Originally Posted by oakley6575
How do I check to see if my wastegate is staying shut?
What type of boost controller are you using? Most electronic ones have an open setting that they wont open the gate at all until that pressure is reached.
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Old Sep 4, 2014 | 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Vortec350ss
Alright you got me there. I used the wrong word. But I know you knew what I meant. Edit: and at the end of the day it really is a multiple of lambda, not a true AFR. For example I run pump 93 and both my gauge and HPT show AFR on the gasoline scale. My fuel is really e10. So the AFR I'm reading is false. It's a multiple of lambda on the gasoline scale, which I'm very used to and comfortable with, not true AFR.
Not sure what you mean by multiple of lambda. But if you are running E10 and want a true AFR reading, set up your HPT scanner to multiply lambda by 14.13. But it is much easier to just tune in lambda or a well known scale like gasoline.
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Originally Posted by Atomic
What type of boost controller are you using? Most electronic ones have an open setting that they wont open the gate at all until that pressure is reached.
Yea I think AEM calls it the crack pressure or something. I have it set correctly for my spring in the gate. But I think I am only running the 6lb spring. Would a stiffer spring help footbrake higher. I don't see why it would since the controller should add pressure to the top of the gate until the desired boost pressure is met. Or am I thinking about it wrong?
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Old Sep 4, 2014 | 10:59 PM
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The equation for your AFR calculation in the tuning software should take into account what fuel you are using. For example, I have PIDs for both E50 and E85.
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Originally Posted by oakley6575
Not sure what you mean by multiple of lambda. But if you are running E10 and want a true AFR reading, set up your HPT scanner to multiply lambda by 14.13. But it is much easier to just tune in lambda or a well known scale like gasoline.
It means that to show gasoline AFR you literally multiply your lambda value by 14.7. Am I incorrect in assuming that?

When lambda is 1 my gauge will show 14.7. When lambda is .77 my gauge will show 11.3. Correct?? It's an exact multiple of lambda if that statement is true.
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