see any decent gains, or are they similar to the shorties?

 

They are better than shorties - much closer to long tubes. They are out of business so you will either be buying used or from someone who has stock. Mine have the titanium ceramic coating and look just like they did when I put them on 4 years ago.

 

Actually according to others the TOGs are only about 1-2" shorter than Dynatechs LT.

 

Mine look great as well, after 3 years. Never leaked either.

 

I have a set of used Hamms that I picked up cheap. I love them. You can deffinitly feel a differance. Mine had a coating on them but painted over them just incase. I would get mids again if I was to do it again.

 

looking at the price difference, i just got pace setter long tubes

 

they are nice , and work good for my set up , i think they keep all the bottom end torque which is nice, im going to be switching to pace setter soon though.

 

man, thats a nice truck 2004SSS

 

thanks , its not done yet though, new paint and go fast goodies to come.

 

I think it looks real clean as is

I wouldn't change a damn thing