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Mar 20, 2005 | 04:06 PM
#22
Originally Posted by parish8
i didn't yet but i am hoping it can just be done with programing. i was hoping you had it figured out by now 
, what exactly do you get? does it very the timing based on map now and then just get stupid when the map max's? worst case i put the maf back in but i am going to try and avoid that. not having it there has to be worth a couple of hp i would think.
, what exactly do you get? does it very the timing based on map now and then just get stupid when the map max's? worst case i put the maf back in but i am going to try and avoid that. not having it there has to be worth a couple of hp i would think.The MAP doesn't play into this part at all from what I can tell.
I've been trying to come up with a way of building a VE table in my PCM based on the VE in the MS, but no luck as of yet. I was thinking of using the max boost line as the max map line in the PCM and then guesstimating the rest based on the MS table equivalent cells.
For now, the MAF is just easier
Mar 20, 2005 | 04:11 PM
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From: omaha ne
Originally Posted by TurboBerserker
Here's the trouble: the pcm picks the amount of advance based on the g/sec air measured by the MAF. Without the MAF in the loop, it does a calculation based on the VE table in the stock PCM. So, unless you are going to build an accurate VE table for the 408 in the stock PCM, you will always see the advance from the very top line (lowest g/sec air) -- in other words the deceleration, burn up all that extra fuel line.
The MAP doesn't play into this part at all from what I can tell.
I've been trying to come up with a way of building a VE table in my PCM based on the VE in the MS, but no luck as of yet. I was thinking of using the max boost line as the max map line in the PCM and then guesstimating the rest based on the MS table equivalent cells.
For now, the MAF is just easier
The MAP doesn't play into this part at all from what I can tell.
I've been trying to come up with a way of building a VE table in my PCM based on the VE in the MS, but no luck as of yet. I was thinking of using the max boost line as the max map line in the PCM and then guesstimating the rest based on the MS table equivalent cells.
For now, the MAF is just easier
Mar 20, 2005 | 06:20 PM
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From: omaha ne
i really wont know till i try it, there are other guys running without the maf so i think it can be done. i will be carefull as i roll into the pedal to see where the timing goes.
Mar 20, 2005 | 07:58 PM
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From: omaha ne
Originally Posted by Flipper
Good looking parts Jim... Any better pics of the intercooler in its new location?
there is a lot more room down there. probably room for an intercooler twice that thick.
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