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Old Jan 25, 2005 | 05:47 PM
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Does anyone have experience with this type of a setup? I'm assuming it's the same as on an SS.?.?.?[/QUOTE]

I have an SS wth the TB converter. With the Comp Cam and pcmforless tune it will flash to 2800. I wouldn't recommend any higher stahl then the 2600. It's just enough to launch nice and it's right on the edge for comfortable driving around town. I know I wouldn't want any higher for the few times I need to have a hard launch. If you were fighting for every tenth in the quarter, then go the big stahl, I know this is a personal tolerance thing, but be prepared to wish you didn't do it durring the other 98 percent of the time you are driving. You could always buy the TB converter and put the extra $$$ towards a nitros system. Then you could launch with the big stahl boys, kick their buts in the quarter, and still have a good tow vehicle.
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Old Jan 25, 2005 | 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by dancar
Does anyone have experience with this type of a setup? I'm assuming it's the same as on an SS.?.?.?

I have an SS wth the TB converter. With the Comp Cam and pcmforless tune it will flash to 2800. I wouldn't recommend any higher stahl then the 2600. It's just enough to launch nice and it's right on the edge for comfortable driving around town. I know I wouldn't want any higher for the few times I need to have a hard launch. If you were fighting for every tenth in the quarter, then go the big stahl, I know this is a personal tolerance thing, but be prepared to wish you didn't do it durring the other 98 percent of the time you are driving. You could always buy the TB converter and put the extra $$$ towards a nitros system. Then you could launch with the big stahl boys, kick their buts in the quarter, and still have a good tow vehicle.
Where is the best place to buy the TB Stall, and what is a "good" price?
Yours stalls at 2800, is that because of your tune? Would it stall at 2800 on my Denali or 2600?

A question about being "too much"... I had a 3200 stall on my Camaro SS and thought it was just fine even for daily driving. How different is the feel/drive in something like my Denali with a stall that high?
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Old Jan 25, 2005 | 09:15 PM
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My dealer will sell me the TB stall for 220$ and a core.
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Old Jan 25, 2005 | 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Weedo
Where is the best place to buy the TB Stall, and what is a "good" price?
Yours stalls at 2800, is that because of your tune? Would it stall at 2800 on my Denali or 2600?

A question about being "too much"... I had a 3200 stall on my Camaro SS and thought it was just fine even for daily driving. How different is the feel/drive in something like my Denali with a stall that high?
The truck is much heavier than the camaro and you would see a little more slippage under normal driving with both vehicles having equal stahl speeds due to the resistance in moving it. If you liked the 3200 then you likely wouldn't mind the 3000 in your truck. No question about it, a 3000 yank will nail the TB out of the hole by,maybe, a truck length. I look at the truck as being more of a luxury vehicle than a sports car. For me the 3000 would be a little to much. If it was a camaro I would want more than the 2800.

The tune and cam would cause a little increase in stahl. Others have stated a 2500-2600 stahl with this converter.
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Old Jan 25, 2005 | 11:01 PM
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I've had both versions. My 99 Z71 had a Yank 3000 and at times in traffic I didn't like it. It did have a stronger launch than my current 2600 Yank. So I miss the bigger launch of the 3000, but really like the easy street manners of my 2600. The weight of the vehicle will alter its stall speed and its feel. With the added weight of the denali, the 3000 will feel more loose than if it were in a S-10 blazer. If my wife jumped in my SS right now, she probably wouldn't know the converter was not stock.

Go to your dealership and buy a trailblazer torque converter. Its the same thing as the Yank2600. They just paint it red and mark up the price. If you buy the yank 3000, they will open it up, alter the blades to stall higher, then mark the price up even more. But either way, its a GM part so the quality shouldn't be in question.
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Old Jan 26, 2005 | 12:53 AM
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Good info Tex. When I talked to Mike I was under the impression my 2400 and the 2600 and 3000 stalls all got cracked open and were furnace brazed fins,needle thrust bearing,hardend hub, clearenced,and balanced.Just paint huh on the first two converters.

different question.
When you buy a TB converter from the dealer do they want a TB back for a core? or with the OE truck be accepted? BTW Tex i didnt get a response from a couple emails recently.
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Old Jan 26, 2005 | 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by gonzo 6.0
When you buy a TB converter from the dealer do they want a TB back for a core? or with the OE truck be accepted? BTW Tex i didnt get a response from a couple emails recently.
I returned a TC from an old 200R4 and kept my SS converter just in case I needed it later. I told the parts manager to let me know if there was a problem, he said there wouldn't be and I never heard any more about it.
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Old Jan 26, 2005 | 07:58 AM
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Wonder how much weight the trailblazer converter is good for while towing. I haul 2000lbs in the back of my truck all the time and during summer tow 6000lbs around frequently.
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Old Jan 26, 2005 | 08:59 AM
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i don't think the y**k is just a painted tb converter. the y**k unit is more likely to fail sooner judging by the results i've seen.

something to add. i work on transmissions frequently and i'll tell you that reguardless of what a converter company may tell you, there is no high stall converter that will live under towing conditions. if you get the baddest converter such as a vig 10.5 inch with triple disc clutch that grabs hard enough to squeek the belt upon apply, it will fail under any heavy towing. this is the reason cubes are so important in trucks. the more cubic inches you have, the less stall you're going to need. simply put you can either have a truck for heavy work or a truck for play. you may have a truck that does both fairly well, but getting in that middle ground is a touchy area.
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Old Jan 26, 2005 | 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by gonzo 6.0
His Denali runs awesome with the mods we did.On his we did a yank 11" 2600.My buddy did some towing with it.I would say something like 5kLbs. for approx. 300 miles.His trans fluid was dark after that,before that he had towed and never discolored the fluid.And with the weight of this vehical you can feel the stall.All I know if it was me I wouldnt go anymore than 2600 stall if I was going to tow.But thats just me.
Thanks for that reassurance on my purchase of the Yank 2600. I've been considering upgrading, but I keep fighting with myself. I tow, but love performance. Tow, performance. etc. etc.

Did you guys end up changing any of the TCC lockup points?

I've hears of a few TCC failures on these 2600's... and I suspect that it was because the TCC's were locking at stock points (at 75mph at WOT, for example). I don't think these converters were designed for WOT locks.
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