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Old Oct 29, 2016 | 02:00 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeLSXSHAMU
This engine is getting pulled soon anyway, is it worth taking out the stock freeze plugs and welding in Aluminum plugs?
There is 100% no reason no to do it. Matter of fact, I'll paypal bux to a person who can tell me a legitimate reason not to do it while the motor is out of the truck and torn down for a build.

OP, if you can't find anyone in your neck of the woods who can do it, let me know.

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Old Oct 29, 2016 | 09:33 AM
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I'll just make sure I put the new plug in nice with good sealant and call it a day
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Old Oct 29, 2016 | 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Blown06
There is 100% no reason no to do it. Matter of fact, I'll paypal bux to a person who can tell me a legitimate reason not to do it while the motor is out of the truck and torn down for a build.

OP, if you can't find anyone in your neck of the woods who can do it, let me know.
In a race only setup I see your point.

In a daily driver, I disagree. There designed to pop out if things freeze in cold weather. Since they no longer have them on the block on these engines, I would not weld up the head plugs. When it freezes in the engine, it has to go somewhere. If it has no place to go, it will likely crack something.


Same thing can occur if you over overheat and over pressurise the cooling system. Especially if you don't maintain the cooling system and there is corrosion in there.

Your better of cleaning the area, applying glue or sealant and popping another plug in there.

I personally use sleeve a retaining compound on any plug that has to be replaced.
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Old Oct 30, 2016 | 03:53 AM
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Originally Posted by 1FastBrick
In a race only setup I see your point.

In a daily driver, I disagree. There designed to pop out if things freeze in cold weather. Since they no longer have them on the block on these engines, I would not weld up the head plugs. When it freezes in the engine, it has to go somewhere. If it has no place to go, it will likely crack something.


Same thing can occur if you over overheat and over pressurise the cooling system. Especially if you don't maintain the cooling system and there is corrosion in there.

Your better of cleaning the area, applying glue or sealant and popping another plug in there.

I personally use sleeve a retaining compound on any plug that has to be replaced.
I'm understanding what you're saying 100% and agree with you for the most part. However, it only takes a few precautionary measures to avoid the freezing problem you speak of. I've just seen or heard of too many guys spit a plug out at the track and bad **** happen. For the OP, I guess it really just depends on what he is trying to accomplish. If he's doing anything N/A, it is a non-issue. If we where talking anything other than an LS, I say leave them there, but it is so easy to pressurize the cooling on these LS motors with forced induction, my opinion is that it is very much an issue that needs to be addressed.
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Old Aug 2, 2023 | 06:15 AM
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I have been running these PRC stage 1 heads for about 1000 miles now and havent seen any issues until today. I rolled into the throttle and at 4k rpm i got a message saying the engine was hot and it was killing the A/C. Sure enough it was running pretty warm and the hand was moving fast. I coasted down into a fire station and as i pulled in it was still getting warmer and so I killed it. Pop the hood...coolant everywhere on the passenger side. No hoses gone or popped so it took a second of looking over the water loop before i noticed the hole on the front of the head where the freeze plug goes. Had my wife get me, we bought a few gallons of coolant and a .74 cent dorman plug. Punched it in at the fire station and filled it up with coolant again. Let it get up to temp and made sure it was full before i capped it and drove home.

Anyone else ever have this happen?
I have twice and I believe I have a cracked cylinder head or two cracked cylinder heads
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Old Aug 2, 2023 | 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by 1FastBrick
In a daily driver, I disagree. There designed to pop out if things freeze in cold weather.
I thought that "freeze plug" is a misnomer, and they're actually core plugs, just plugs for the holes that are needed for cleaning out casting sand.

On a side note that might apply, I learned that when a water pipe bursts from freezing, it's not from the direct force of the ice expansion. The damage is actually from water pressure coming from ice expanding on either side of the water.

So how could a "freeze plug" be strategically located to prevent freeze damage if what I said above is true?
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Old Aug 2, 2023 | 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeGyver
I thought that "freeze plug" is a misnomer, and they're actually core plugs, just plugs for the holes that are needed for cleaning out casting sand.

On a side note that might apply, I learned that when a water pipe bursts from freezing, it's not from the direct force of the ice expansion. The damage is actually from water pressure coming from ice expanding on either side of the water.

So how could a "freeze plug" be strategically located to prevent freeze damage if what I said above is true?
Yup, that's what I understand as well. But they often do pop out if engine water freezes and I'm guessing that why folks call them freeze plugs. Back in 1993 we moved from SoCal to Texas in the summer. Our 1972 C20 with a Buick 401 we drove here had 100% water in the coolant system. The first freeze in November the engine froze over. Luckily, one of the core plugs popped out.

Aren't these plugs on LS threaded on? What happens on those if they freeze? The block blows? Don't the heads have some press fit plugs?
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Old Aug 2, 2023 | 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by strutaeng
Yup, that's what I understand as well. But they often do pop out if engine water freezes and I'm guessing that why folks call them freeze plugs. Back in 1993 we moved from SoCal to Texas in the summer. Our 1972 C20 with a Buick 401 we drove here had 100% water in the coolant system. The first freeze in November the engine froze over. Luckily, one of the core plugs popped out.

Aren't these plugs on LS threaded on? What happens on those if they freeze? The block blows? Don't the heads have some press fit plugs?
The heads have press in plugs. Yes the Block's do have threaded plugs and the blocks can crack as we have seen this a few times.
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Old Aug 2, 2023 | 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeGyver
I thought that "freeze plug" is a misnomer, and they're actually core plugs, just plugs for the holes that are needed for cleaning out casting sand.

On a side note that might apply, I learned that when a water pipe bursts from freezing, it's not from the direct force of the ice expansion. The damage is actually from water pressure coming from ice expanding on either side of the water.

So how could a "freeze plug" be strategically located to prevent freeze damage if what I said above is true?
Technically yes they are "Core" or "Welch" plugs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Core_plug

The LS block was not designed that way. They often split the deck. This is why you should maintain the cooling system to prevent such issues.
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