853 casting heads do they fit 5.3
03-08-2011, 12:24 AM
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853 casting heads do they fit 5.3
got an 02 silverado z71 5.3l i recently got a set of 853 heads for 100 with upgraded comp 918 springs. the 853 heads were off a 2000 camaro ls1 i think. will these heads fit my 5.3l truck engine. thinking of getting them ported cleaned up put them on and put an ls6 cam in it. i read in some ls1 books that a ls6 cam in a truck brings up 50hp in 5.3l and ported heads 20. is this possible thanks for help and info.
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Yes they will fit.. But you will lose some comp.. Have them milled to bring the chambers back down to the size of 5.3 heads. Only diff in them is the intake valve size and chambers.. All else is the same...
03-08-2011, 12:54 AM
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honestly i would keep the valve springs and valves then resell the bare heads for the 100 u paid
Buy some 5.3 casting heads for $50-100 put the bigger valve 2.0 from the ls1 heads in your 5.3 casting heads then mill them to gain compression
Benefit of this is more compression,great flow,no increase in runner size so theres no loss of air speed or lowend torque
big valve 5.3 heads for cheap with added compression
Thats what i call a budget 243 head!!!
Buy some 5.3 casting heads for $50-100 put the bigger valve 2.0 from the ls1 heads in your 5.3 casting heads then mill them to gain compression
Benefit of this is more compression,great flow,no increase in runner size so theres no loss of air speed or lowend torque
big valve 5.3 heads for cheap with added compression
Thats what i call a budget 243 head!!!
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whare can i get 5.3 heads cheep. or would 4.8 heads be better. the ls6 heads are only good for 5.7l. would i beeter off with ported 5.3. not lloking for crazy power increase but if the 853 will hurt my compression why bother. i gess i am okay because it has the comp springs in them can keep them for cam. are 241 better choise. are 853 same as 241?
03-08-2011, 01:27 AM
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853 and 241s are the same heads just diff years
LS6/243 or 799 castings flow good but are pricey and have a bigger cc chamber than 5.3 heads
Any LS1 style head will have a big combustion chamber and need to be milled to get back compression
706 or 852 casting heads are 4.8/5.3 heads i would use those with what i suggested earlier
Look in the for sale section for some used heads cheap there not hard to find
LS6/243 or 799 castings flow good but are pricey and have a bigger cc chamber than 5.3 heads
Any LS1 style head will have a big combustion chamber and need to be milled to get back compression
706 or 852 casting heads are 4.8/5.3 heads i would use those with what i suggested earlier
Look in the for sale section for some used heads cheap there not hard to find
03-08-2011, 01:37 AM
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this may help you !!!
ALL Gen III heads are interchangable. How ever, They need to be matched up with the proper engine combo to see any gains.
Here is a list of a known production casting #'s:
933 97 aluminum perimeter bolt 5.7
806 97-98 aluminum perimeter bolt 5.7
853 99-00 aluminum center bolt 5.7
241 01-03 aluminum center bolt 5.7 (some late MY00 cars got 241 castings)
243 04 up LS6 aluminum center bolt 5.7 ***These castings were also used around 05 in truck applications***
862 99 and up 4.8-5.3 Truck heads
706 99 and up 4.8-5.3 Truck heads
799 05 and up 4.8-5.3Truck heads ***reportedly came on a few corvette's too*** These are basically 243 Heads
873 99-00 LQ4 6.0 Iron center bolt heads
317 01 and up LQ4 and LQ9 6.0 aluminum center bolt heads
035 01 - 04 LQ9 6.0 aluminum center bolt heads
Even more detailed info:
Casting Numbers 241, 806, 853
Head: 1997+ LS1 5.7 Liter Passenger Car
Material: Aluminimum
Part Number:
12559806 (1997-98) Chambers = 69cc
12559853 (1999-00)
12564241 (2000-03)
Combustion Chamber Volume: 66.67cc
Compression Ratio: 10.1:1
Intake Port Volume: 200cc
Exhaust Port Volume: 70cc
Intake Valve Diameter: 2.00 inches
Exhaust Valve Diameter: 1.55 inches
Stock Head Flow Numbers
Chamber 66.67 cc------0.100--0.200---0.300---0.400---0.500---0.550--0.600
Intake 200 cc------------67----122-----178-----215-----219-----223---227
Exhaust 70 cc------------52-----97-----133-----156-----170-----76----180
What you need to know:
The standard issue LS1 heads is best all-around head for the street / strip engines . A thorough porting and millimg job plus a valve upgrade on these will really wake up your engine.The heads have undergone only minor revisions since their introduction in 1997 , most notably a switch from perimeter to center valvcover bolt configuration for the 1999 model year. Each style has its own dedicated valvecovers and coilpacks mounting apparatus.
Casting Number 243
Head: 2001 LS6 5.7 Liter Passenger Car
Material: Aluminimum
Part Number:
12564243
Combustion Chamber Volume: 64.45cc
Compression Ratio: 10.5:1
Intake Port Volume: 210cc
Exhaust Port Volume: 75cc
Intake Valve Diameter: 2.00 inches
Exhaust Valve Diameter: 1.55 inches
Stock Head Flow Numbers
Chamber 64.45 cc-------0.100---0.200--0.300--0.400---0.500---0.550---0.600
Intake 210 cc------------62------126----184----224-----251----256----257
Exhaust 75 cc------------57------108----143----163-----176----180----183
What you need to know:
The LS6 cylinder heads is essentially a tuned-up version of the LS1 head. At 65cc, the combustion chamber is slightly smaller and more efficient than the LS1. The more efficient design shortens burn times and ultimately means less ignition timing advance is required to produce the same power. And because less timing allows more efficient combustion, the Ls6 heads allow the engine to produce more torque. The exhaust port is a unique D-shape that improves flow. LS6 heads are the best choice only when all-out power is needed. Be prepared for a big price tag at the dealer or steep core charge from your head porter.
Casting Number 706 and 862
Head: 1999+ 4.8L / 5.3 Liter Truck
Material: Aluminimum
Part Number:
12559862
12561706
Combustion Chamber Volume: 61.15cc
Compression Ratio: 9.5:1
Intake Port Volume: 200cc
Exhaust Port Volume: 70cc
Intake Valve Diameter: 1.89 inches
Exhaust Valve Diameter: 1.55 inches
Stock Head Flow Numbers
Chamber 61.15 cc----0.100--0.200--0.300-- 0.400--0.500---0.550---0.600
Intake 200 cc----------63 ---128----179-----210----218----221-----226
Exhaust 70 cc----------54 -- 93 ----121----145-----163----168----174
What you need to know:
These small combustion chamber truck heads offer no advantage over an LS1 head except the smaller combustion chamber. This along with milling of the deck surface will allow a slightly higher compression ratio to be achieved. Because of the smaller intake valve installed in these heads a valve upgrade is practically mandatory.
Casting Number 873
Head: 1999-2000 LQ4 6.0 Liter Truck
Material: ***Cast Iron***
Part Number:
12561873
Combustion Chamber Volume: 71.06cc
Compression Ratio: 9.5:1
Intake Port Volume: 210cc
Exhaust Port Volume: 75cc
Intake Valve Diameter: 2.00 inches
Exhaust Valve Diameter: 1.55 inches
Casting Number 317, 035
Head: 2001+ LQ4 and LQ9 6.0 Liter Truck
Material: Aluminimum
Part Number:
12562317 -LQ4
12572317 -LQ9
12572035 -LQ9
Combustion Chamber Volume: 71.06cc
Compression Ratio: 10:1 LQ9 Flat top pistons
Compression Ratio: 9.6:1 LQ4 Dish piston
Intake Port Volume: 210cc
Exhaust Port Volume: 75cc
Intake Valve Diameter: 2.00 inches
Exhaust Valve Diameter: 1.55 inches
Stock Head Flow Numbers
Chamber 71.06cc----0.100---0.200--0.300--0.400--0.500--0.550--0.600
Intake 210cc-----------66-----142-----196---228----236---238-----240
Exhaust 75cc----------59-----104-----137---155----167---173-----177
What you need to know:
The LQ4 head received aluminum heads starting in models year 2001. All other features are the same as previous years iron heads. This is the workhorse head for street / strip turbo and blower cars. They offer a large combustion chamber that lowers compression ratio making them perfect for a forced induction application. Swapping on the LQ4 head drops the compression ratio of a typical LS1 engine to 9:5.1
The Cast-iron casting are heavy!
So you want to figure out how much to mill:
It takes about .005" milling of the block deck to remove 1cc of volume. It takes .007" milling to remove 1cc from an LS1 head
Simple Milling Math:
You have a stock 66cc chamber and you want to get down to 63cc
66-63 = 3. You have to remove 3cc's
.007 x 3 = .021. So to get your 66cc chambers down to 63cc you'd have to mill ~.021.
You can also do the reverse, say you want to mill a head .030 to figure out how many CC's that removes you take .030 / .007 = ~ 4.28. Milling a stock 5.7 head .030 puts your chamber at ~ 62.
241 cast heads were Die Cast which is a process that smooths up the ports a bit compared to the Sand Cast procedure that was done on the 806 and 853 heads. Once ported any "advantage" the 241 cast had is moot.
Same Info applies to the:
4.8L/5.3L Truck 862 and 706 Head castings
While the 706 Heads are a SPM = Semi Permanent-mold And considerd to be a more consistant head casting then the 862 wich are Sand cast, Once ported There Is no difference.
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799 Vs. 243 Info Copied From pillboxesghost Post's in ths thread https://ls1tech.com/forums/conver...l#post10241473
This appears to be one of the common misconceptions about heads having the 243 casting no. -- they are not necessarily LS6 head assemblies. The LS2 heads (243 or 799 casting) have the "heavy" standard LS1 valves. However, they do have the LS6 springs.
Only the true LS6 engine heads have stainless steel (not titanium) hollow stem valves (the exhaust stems are sodium filled). These valves are slightly longer than LS1 valves too.
The LS7 heads do have titanium valves.
New LS2 heads are about half the price of new LS6 heads (check sdparts.com). GM is "really proud" of those hollow stem valves!
Oh, if you have the 799 castings -- the only thing "Corvette" about them is the valve springs/retainers! Still a desirable set of LS1 heads though!
Supposedly, the 243 mold was done at GM Research, the 799 mold furnished to other vendors. The same vendor may have the 243 and 799 mold.
Both heads have identical sized intake and exhaust valves
ALL Gen III heads are interchangable. How ever, They need to be matched up with the proper engine combo to see any gains.
Here is a list of a known production casting #'s:
933 97 aluminum perimeter bolt 5.7
806 97-98 aluminum perimeter bolt 5.7
853 99-00 aluminum center bolt 5.7
241 01-03 aluminum center bolt 5.7 (some late MY00 cars got 241 castings)
243 04 up LS6 aluminum center bolt 5.7 ***These castings were also used around 05 in truck applications***
862 99 and up 4.8-5.3 Truck heads
706 99 and up 4.8-5.3 Truck heads
799 05 and up 4.8-5.3Truck heads ***reportedly came on a few corvette's too*** These are basically 243 Heads
873 99-00 LQ4 6.0 Iron center bolt heads
317 01 and up LQ4 and LQ9 6.0 aluminum center bolt heads
035 01 - 04 LQ9 6.0 aluminum center bolt heads
Even more detailed info:
Casting Numbers 241, 806, 853
Head: 1997+ LS1 5.7 Liter Passenger Car
Material: Aluminimum
Part Number:
12559806 (1997-98) Chambers = 69cc
12559853 (1999-00)
12564241 (2000-03)
Combustion Chamber Volume: 66.67cc
Compression Ratio: 10.1:1
Intake Port Volume: 200cc
Exhaust Port Volume: 70cc
Intake Valve Diameter: 2.00 inches
Exhaust Valve Diameter: 1.55 inches
Stock Head Flow Numbers
Chamber 66.67 cc------0.100--0.200---0.300---0.400---0.500---0.550--0.600
Intake 200 cc------------67----122-----178-----215-----219-----223---227
Exhaust 70 cc------------52-----97-----133-----156-----170-----76----180
What you need to know:
The standard issue LS1 heads is best all-around head for the street / strip engines . A thorough porting and millimg job plus a valve upgrade on these will really wake up your engine.The heads have undergone only minor revisions since their introduction in 1997 , most notably a switch from perimeter to center valvcover bolt configuration for the 1999 model year. Each style has its own dedicated valvecovers and coilpacks mounting apparatus.
Casting Number 243
Head: 2001 LS6 5.7 Liter Passenger Car
Material: Aluminimum
Part Number:
12564243
Combustion Chamber Volume: 64.45cc
Compression Ratio: 10.5:1
Intake Port Volume: 210cc
Exhaust Port Volume: 75cc
Intake Valve Diameter: 2.00 inches
Exhaust Valve Diameter: 1.55 inches
Stock Head Flow Numbers
Chamber 64.45 cc-------0.100---0.200--0.300--0.400---0.500---0.550---0.600
Intake 210 cc------------62------126----184----224-----251----256----257
Exhaust 75 cc------------57------108----143----163-----176----180----183
What you need to know:
The LS6 cylinder heads is essentially a tuned-up version of the LS1 head. At 65cc, the combustion chamber is slightly smaller and more efficient than the LS1. The more efficient design shortens burn times and ultimately means less ignition timing advance is required to produce the same power. And because less timing allows more efficient combustion, the Ls6 heads allow the engine to produce more torque. The exhaust port is a unique D-shape that improves flow. LS6 heads are the best choice only when all-out power is needed. Be prepared for a big price tag at the dealer or steep core charge from your head porter.
Casting Number 706 and 862
Head: 1999+ 4.8L / 5.3 Liter Truck
Material: Aluminimum
Part Number:
12559862
12561706
Combustion Chamber Volume: 61.15cc
Compression Ratio: 9.5:1
Intake Port Volume: 200cc
Exhaust Port Volume: 70cc
Intake Valve Diameter: 1.89 inches
Exhaust Valve Diameter: 1.55 inches
Stock Head Flow Numbers
Chamber 61.15 cc----0.100--0.200--0.300-- 0.400--0.500---0.550---0.600
Intake 200 cc----------63 ---128----179-----210----218----221-----226
Exhaust 70 cc----------54 -- 93 ----121----145-----163----168----174
What you need to know:
These small combustion chamber truck heads offer no advantage over an LS1 head except the smaller combustion chamber. This along with milling of the deck surface will allow a slightly higher compression ratio to be achieved. Because of the smaller intake valve installed in these heads a valve upgrade is practically mandatory.
Casting Number 873
Head: 1999-2000 LQ4 6.0 Liter Truck
Material: ***Cast Iron***
Part Number:
12561873
Combustion Chamber Volume: 71.06cc
Compression Ratio: 9.5:1
Intake Port Volume: 210cc
Exhaust Port Volume: 75cc
Intake Valve Diameter: 2.00 inches
Exhaust Valve Diameter: 1.55 inches
Casting Number 317, 035
Head: 2001+ LQ4 and LQ9 6.0 Liter Truck
Material: Aluminimum
Part Number:
12562317 -LQ4
12572317 -LQ9
12572035 -LQ9
Combustion Chamber Volume: 71.06cc
Compression Ratio: 10:1 LQ9 Flat top pistons
Compression Ratio: 9.6:1 LQ4 Dish piston
Intake Port Volume: 210cc
Exhaust Port Volume: 75cc
Intake Valve Diameter: 2.00 inches
Exhaust Valve Diameter: 1.55 inches
Stock Head Flow Numbers
Chamber 71.06cc----0.100---0.200--0.300--0.400--0.500--0.550--0.600
Intake 210cc-----------66-----142-----196---228----236---238-----240
Exhaust 75cc----------59-----104-----137---155----167---173-----177
What you need to know:
The LQ4 head received aluminum heads starting in models year 2001. All other features are the same as previous years iron heads. This is the workhorse head for street / strip turbo and blower cars. They offer a large combustion chamber that lowers compression ratio making them perfect for a forced induction application. Swapping on the LQ4 head drops the compression ratio of a typical LS1 engine to 9:5.1
The Cast-iron casting are heavy!
So you want to figure out how much to mill:
It takes about .005" milling of the block deck to remove 1cc of volume. It takes .007" milling to remove 1cc from an LS1 head
Simple Milling Math:
You have a stock 66cc chamber and you want to get down to 63cc
66-63 = 3. You have to remove 3cc's
.007 x 3 = .021. So to get your 66cc chambers down to 63cc you'd have to mill ~.021.
You can also do the reverse, say you want to mill a head .030 to figure out how many CC's that removes you take .030 / .007 = ~ 4.28. Milling a stock 5.7 head .030 puts your chamber at ~ 62.
241 cast heads were Die Cast which is a process that smooths up the ports a bit compared to the Sand Cast procedure that was done on the 806 and 853 heads. Once ported any "advantage" the 241 cast had is moot.
Same Info applies to the:
4.8L/5.3L Truck 862 and 706 Head castings
While the 706 Heads are a SPM = Semi Permanent-mold And considerd to be a more consistant head casting then the 862 wich are Sand cast, Once ported There Is no difference.
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799 Vs. 243 Info Copied From pillboxesghost Post's in ths thread https://ls1tech.com/forums/conver...l#post10241473
This appears to be one of the common misconceptions about heads having the 243 casting no. -- they are not necessarily LS6 head assemblies. The LS2 heads (243 or 799 casting) have the "heavy" standard LS1 valves. However, they do have the LS6 springs.
Only the true LS6 engine heads have stainless steel (not titanium) hollow stem valves (the exhaust stems are sodium filled). These valves are slightly longer than LS1 valves too.
The LS7 heads do have titanium valves.
New LS2 heads are about half the price of new LS6 heads (check sdparts.com). GM is "really proud" of those hollow stem valves!
Oh, if you have the 799 castings -- the only thing "Corvette" about them is the valve springs/retainers! Still a desirable set of LS1 heads though!
Supposedly, the 243 mold was done at GM Research, the 799 mold furnished to other vendors. The same vendor may have the 243 and 799 mold.
Both heads have identical sized intake and exhaust valves
03-08-2011, 04:03 PM
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i think i will just find some 5.3 heads and port them. anyone ever put ls6 cam in 5.3 i have a ls1 book say you get 40 hp just by installing cam and springs. is that true has anyone done that. thouse 853 head would be good on a 6.0 motor or no? thanks for help.
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11-18-2011, 09:39 AM
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Great info on this site. I found the same deal as the OP. 853 heads with comp springs. I am going to be putting a 5.3L in my 69 bird. Personally, I do not know how to mill, but I have access to a shop at my work and can probably find someone to do with for me for some beer. How would I know how much to mill off? I am basically looking at doing the exact same thing as the OP.
Thanks for the input.
Thanks for the input.
