4L60e How Tough ?
12-05-2011, 02:19 PM
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if you decide to stay with the 60E be sure to get a fully built one. i had a shift kit and upgraded clutches and vette servos in mine and i destroyed two of them with a N/A bolt on 4.3!
12-05-2011, 03:49 PM
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My 4l60e 4x4 dodge ram runs 13.4
my 4l60e Z28 run a 10.22 @ 132 1.44 60'
If you are going to run a 60e get;
Corvette servo, standard width 2-4 carbonite band, beast sunshell, wide rear sungear bushing, borg warner dual cage sprag, Raybestos 3-4 Z-pack , wide rear teflon coated stator support bushing, teflon coated thrush washer that goes on in inside of the beast sunshell, Sleeve the input drum with the sonnax kit and use the billet forward piston, get the high rpm pump slide spring kit, reverse boost valve .490, transgo separator plate, drill 3rd gear feed hole to .093, get the TCC code 1870 fix valve. This will make any 60e stout!!!
Cautions!!! Do not remove the 1-2 accum. springs or let any "tuner" allow 2nd gear to shift hard. this will break output shafts. you want a quick firm 1-2 shift not harsh, a stall converter helps cushin these internal parts.
my 4l60e Z28 run a 10.22 @ 132 1.44 60'
If you are going to run a 60e get;
Corvette servo, standard width 2-4 carbonite band, beast sunshell, wide rear sungear bushing, borg warner dual cage sprag, Raybestos 3-4 Z-pack , wide rear teflon coated stator support bushing, teflon coated thrush washer that goes on in inside of the beast sunshell, Sleeve the input drum with the sonnax kit and use the billet forward piston, get the high rpm pump slide spring kit, reverse boost valve .490, transgo separator plate, drill 3rd gear feed hole to .093, get the TCC code 1870 fix valve. This will make any 60e stout!!!
Cautions!!! Do not remove the 1-2 accum. springs or let any "tuner" allow 2nd gear to shift hard. this will break output shafts. you want a quick firm 1-2 shift not harsh, a stall converter helps cushin these internal parts.
12-10-2011, 10:01 AM
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The bottom line is, you need to assess your goals for this truck early on to keep from wasting a lot of money.
If you plan to stay under 500hp and 6000rpm you can expect a 60e built by a reputable builder (FLT, Performabuilt, etc on here) to last a reasonably long time. Once you go beyond that range you may want to consider an 80e swap. Even the best built 60e will suffer at 600hp and 7k rpm shifts in a 5,000+ pound truck. The shift points you need are a real deal-maker in this trans... the 60e has wide gear spacing so shifting at 7k rpm is a lot harder on it than 5,500 rpm shifts at any given power level versus a trans with tighter gear spacing (TH400/4L80E for example). While rotational energy is directly related to the mass of the parts involved, it's the square of the rotational velocity part of the equation that really governs the stresses involved. You can partially address this concern in the build, but there are limits due to the limited 3-4 clutch area and radius. Some of the higher hp 60es you see out there are geared so that the car doesn't use the 2-3 shift during a run down the strip for this reason.
A top of the line built 60e and stall converter can easily cost $3k+. An 80e with a shift kit and stall can be had for that or less and be a lot tougher. Build an 80e and they're not remotely in the same class. I see 70k mile 80Es going for $800 or less in nearby salvage yards all day long.
FWIW, I've home-built a few 60es myself that perform good at ~500hp with the usual parts list you find on builder's websites and playing with the hydraulic settings. Speaking of which, the plate hole sizes and accumulator settings you see listed in boxed shift kits aren't adequate for every power/weight combo... learned this the hard way. That's what you're paying for with a reputable builder... not really the parts and labor listed, but they've figured out over time what works and what doesn't in terms of "tuning" this transmission (clearances, shift hole sizes, accumulation settings, etc). I don't ever expect to build them as well as our sponsors here, but there are pretty solid limits this trans can take. That's why I'm moving on to an 80e after having been through a few rounds with the 60e.
If you plan to stay under 500hp and 6000rpm you can expect a 60e built by a reputable builder (FLT, Performabuilt, etc on here) to last a reasonably long time. Once you go beyond that range you may want to consider an 80e swap. Even the best built 60e will suffer at 600hp and 7k rpm shifts in a 5,000+ pound truck. The shift points you need are a real deal-maker in this trans... the 60e has wide gear spacing so shifting at 7k rpm is a lot harder on it than 5,500 rpm shifts at any given power level versus a trans with tighter gear spacing (TH400/4L80E for example). While rotational energy is directly related to the mass of the parts involved, it's the square of the rotational velocity part of the equation that really governs the stresses involved. You can partially address this concern in the build, but there are limits due to the limited 3-4 clutch area and radius. Some of the higher hp 60es you see out there are geared so that the car doesn't use the 2-3 shift during a run down the strip for this reason.
A top of the line built 60e and stall converter can easily cost $3k+. An 80e with a shift kit and stall can be had for that or less and be a lot tougher. Build an 80e and they're not remotely in the same class. I see 70k mile 80Es going for $800 or less in nearby salvage yards all day long.
FWIW, I've home-built a few 60es myself that perform good at ~500hp with the usual parts list you find on builder's websites and playing with the hydraulic settings. Speaking of which, the plate hole sizes and accumulator settings you see listed in boxed shift kits aren't adequate for every power/weight combo... learned this the hard way. That's what you're paying for with a reputable builder... not really the parts and labor listed, but they've figured out over time what works and what doesn't in terms of "tuning" this transmission (clearances, shift hole sizes, accumulation settings, etc). I don't ever expect to build them as well as our sponsors here, but there are pretty solid limits this trans can take. That's why I'm moving on to an 80e after having been through a few rounds with the 60e.
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