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Old Oct 17, 2014 | 05:20 PM
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How are you setting the tune up so it pulls timing by manifold pressure? My timing table bottoms out at 1.20 g/cyl basically at any boost level so the last row of the table is my timing in boost. Is there a timing retard table based on manifold pressure?

I think you are conservative on your timing by the way.
EFI live boost timing table. It lets you pull timing based on boost levels.
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Old Oct 17, 2014 | 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by oakley6575
How are you setting the tune up so it pulls timing by manifold pressure? My timing table bottoms out at 1.20 g/cyl basically at any boost level so the last row of the table is my timing in boost. Is there a timing retard table based on manifold pressure?

I think you are conservative on your timing by the way.
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also EFI Live has a table i use to help with high IATs/hot starts. Once I got it dialed in, i have no issues...

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Originally Posted by GMCtrk
Technically I'm on E48 now, although I still consider that superior to gas and meth.

Also, if you meth pump fails and you have the timing increased you've probably just blown your motor. The way I see meth usage is as a safety net, not as a performance increaser. But that's just my opinion. Even with E85 I never treated it as a superior fuel and drastically increased the timing. My goal is to keep my stock junkyard motor alive and keep playing.
E48 huh, i bet that is interesting trying to get the percentage right at the pump. Yeah your right, if the meth pump fails it could be an issue, but the same thing can be said about alot of other parts on the motor.





Thanks for the replies, i think i will keep it like it is now, and just roll with it...
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Old Oct 17, 2014 | 05:40 PM
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go to a dyno or track to set your timing.
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Not too bad. I only get ethanol from the same place and they consistently test out at 82%E. It's just 1 part 93 to 1 part E85.
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I would love to move to e85, but I would hate to have to plan my trips based on stations that carry it.
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Old Oct 17, 2014 | 05:43 PM
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Also, if you meth pump fails and you have the timing increased you've probably just blown your motor.

My AEM has a failsafe wire just for that reason. If the pump goes out, or there is a short, or the fluid level gets too low, ect. then the failsafe will shut the boost controller off or however you have it wired. I plan to wire it to the boost controller so if there ever is an issue, it just drops boost down to the spring pressure. I thing that is 5.5psi for me right now. But you could wire it to pull timing or something like that too.

That EFI live table is cool for sure.
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Originally Posted by TXsilverado
I would love to move to e85, but I would hate to have to plan my trips based on stations that carry it.
I have an E85 pump 5 miles from my house but i dont want to switch for the same reason. If i cant drive my truck where i want any time i want then there is no point in owning it. I have a spare vehicle that i am supposed to drive but never do.


Speaking of meth comsumption. I have been using about 3/4 of a gallon per week. I fill up my truck once a week with ~21 gallons. Sooooo i think that is pretty decent.
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Originally Posted by TXsilverado
go to a dyno or track to set your timing.
I thought about going to the dyno the other day but then i realized i dont care that much to do it. I also thought about going to the track the other day but then i decided not too.

Call me old and lazy. Just surround me with cats and my AN fitting collection and i am happy
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Originally Posted by oakley6575
How are you setting the tune up so it pulls timing by manifold pressure? My timing table bottoms out at 1.20 g/cyl basically at any boost level so the last row of the table is my timing in boost. Is there a timing retard table based on manifold pressure?

I think you are conservative on your timing by the way.
I was wondering the same thing... pretty sweet.

Thats definitely a great failsafe for the turbo guys. For me I have a good idea what it will be every time I step on the pedal. I guess it would be nice to pull a degree of timing if I do end up seeing more boost due to weather changes etc though.

As far as the timing. I would think you are on the very safe side right now. I spray a very similar amount of meth with a single 15, and I run 15* at what was a peak of 200 KPA.
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Old Oct 17, 2014 | 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by GMCtrk
I think that's a pretty good timing table. I wouldn't increase the timing too much more. Most of the people pushing more timing end up blowing the motor. Denmah preaches high boost low timing and has the results to back it.

I run 14.5* @ 225 kPa. 10.6:1 compression.
Yes I'm a firm believer in the Sloppy Mechanics school of lower timing. Leave the timing where it's at and keep cranking on the boost. Should be scary around 245 kpa.
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