Alot of people are too intimidated to got to the track. Most guys are happy just to drive on the street and be faster than most vehicles they come accross. As far as reinventing the wheel, I'm sure you understand that it normally takes time to run reaaly good #s at the track. I was fortunate to find someone with years of track experience. If not for that I would still be in the mid 12s trapping close to 120. In the right hands any most kits are capable of producing good numbers. Look at the track results the Livernois kit are doing. They are in line with most of the STS kit. Gmcski ran a high 11 with a front mount 370 motoor and a 4 link set up for the track. Turbos in general are more difficult to get all the power to be reflected on a time slip.

 

if you're dyno tuning, i assume you're going wide open. if you're willing to go wide open on the dyno, why not at the track? was it worth buying a turbo kit that you can't go wide open with? i would have to assume that you baby it around town too then because a track and the street are about the same thing. if you can go wide open on the street, you can go wide open at the track.
If he is tuning on a dynojet, it is not the same as on the street. It will not load the turbo which will not produce the same results. It will run rich on the dyno and lean on the street. This could be bad for the engine.

 

I think it was a dynopac, They are taking off the wheels and bolting the dyno staight to the axles.

 

All I want to know is this pissing contest getting anywhere?

 

not really, just like many posts on here. someone obviously posted this with the idea of getting something going. what we got were the two biggest dollar and fastest of the STS trucks to defend the statement and from there some of the trucks came on that brought the dyno queen name up. i'm not the only one that has used that term for the STS trucks, i'm just the only one that wasn't bothered by stepping in the pit...

 

I've been reading this post from day one. I gotta give Zippy props for creating a discussion that seems valid. I read this stuff to make my own choices on what products to buy and why. I applaud not only Zippy but the others that are bringing up valid points (pro or con). I don't think we are in a pissing contest until someone throws out a "your mama joke". Until then,...keep the posts going!

 

The thing is we could have this disscusion about most of the more popular kits out there right now. If we could actually get everyone who is a member of this site to post up there FI set-up and whether or not its been to the track or dyno and then give the numbers they put down for each.
I think we'd find that about the same percentage have done or not done track and dyno testing. Then the answers would be here in black and white, not just a "I know of a guy with a... " statements.
I don't even have a dyno tuner in my area, I'd have to drive about 2 hours one way to get to one and I don't even know his rep.
Until then, its stick with Allens tunes after each upgrade or change to my set-up until I can pop for HPTuners.
From what everyone says you don't always get real numbers or the best tune from a dyno tune anyways. A street tune would be best for some including me.That's kinda tough for me since Allen is in Texas and I'm in Wisconsin.
It seems that I'm in the group of self installed and upgrading, with a mail order tune right now. Its sits ok with me since I am not a hard-core racer and I know my truck is allot faster than it was stock, by how much...who knows until the track here re-opens in the spring or someone with a g-tech pops up close to me.
I'd rather spend my money on system upgrades than dyno time, or a g-tech.
Most of the upgrades can be tuned by Allen anyway.
After spending the money on his tune and the gauranty that he will re-tune your vehicle for that first time price it would seem silly to go and blow the money on a one time "look at how hot my set up is" tune for proof here.
Its just not the same for eveyone, some have buddies or a good speed shop to take their vehicles to. I don't.
Its kinda fun getting it to go faster on your own, its a hobby for me really.
Just my two pennies again.

 

I don't mind stepping in either. My truck has alot less money in it than you think. Everything on it is second hand. I don't consider this thread a pissing contest, just some good info. Radix is definantly a plug in and play system. The sts is also as long as you keep the boost at 5 psi. Once you start turning up the boost it will definately cost more to support it. The turbo does have alot more potential though. I had a radix, but sold it before it ever went on the truck after riding in a turbo vehicle.

 

I dont think this is a pissing match ether, just spirited disscussion on some popular topics, with a lot of good info poping up educate people on some of the power choices avail, its all good!

 

i would have to think that from your power level a radix wouldn't have made you happy. i'd agree that you made a good choice there. much over 1000cfm the radix is just a heat producer and full of parasitic drag. they put down some outstanding numbers right up until they run into the issue of just plain being too small. for something to compare to the ability of a turbo kit to be able to add a bigger turbo you'd have had to of picked a procharger or vortech unit. i've been pretty content with the post so far. alot of discussion and nobody has really been outright harsh in any way.