That's a pretty blanket statement... Do you own and use both? I do And you can see what I use and sell now AFTER I owned and used both

There are several very competent tuners use BOTH software suites and either can get the job done. As far as finding tunes that are already made for a radix, that's not a good thing to do anyway. A tune should be built for it's intended purpose, no 2 FI tunes are the same.

 

Keep it on point, he's asking for a copy of a tune and only mentioned two softwares, no debating tuning software in this one. Use the private messaging if anyone wants to guide the OP elsewhere.

 

LOL, obviously either will work just fine, I'm surprised you interpreted me actually disputing that. Have you noticed I use EFI live myself? We purchased a credit from you for it a couple months ago...

In my post I was referring to SUPPORT for the software with regards to a new tuner, as I said. I am new to tuning myself, and have found that there is about ten times as many tutorials on forums, etc that revolve around HP Tuners. I would love for you to direct me to a database of information other than EFI Live's forum, the very limited selection of PDF files contained on their website, or the "large" tune depository on holdencrazy or whatever that website is. How many years have we been waiting for Greg Banish to publish a copy of his book that supports EFI Live?

Just trying to expound on a recommendation made by prior members that I thought was relevant to the thread. The OP could very well be interested in tuning his own truck, mentioning his interest in "purchasing software" in the first post, and for someone that is trying to learn to tune on their own as a beginner... well, I think I made my point clear this time.

 

You can go to http://www.blackbearperformance.com/
Buy the software from him and im sure he would throw in a baseline tune for ya to start with.

 

Sorry man, I forgot, But pretty much any HPT writeup can be uses with EFILive, they both for the most part have the same tables, they are just laid out a little differently. I just hate it when some one says something like HPT is the only way to go... when there are other options out there.

As far as tunes to look at, to me that is almost pointless. You should learn what tables affect what and then how they should be altered, then build a tune specific for your application off your base cal. Using a tune someone else made for their truck as a base is not a good thing IMHO

 

OK. I am not a wet behind the ears newbie with engines..Been building engines over 30 years. What I DO NOT know, is how much timing, and when.How much fuel is needed and when..with a supper charger..WHAT I DO NOT want to do is pour a bunch of money into a motor, take it out and burn it down because it is too lean or bust piston ring lands if it's too rich.
I got a pretty good handle on what the stock GM #'s should be as I am a ASE Master Tech and Certified GM Tech for over 20 years and took on all the "problem childs" that came into the service dept.
So even though I was to buy a product and learned how to use it, I STILL would need help on timing and fuel flow rates..and do either of them have the ability to "learn" by say putting in a target ARF ratio..Has it the ability to try and adjust to that target?
I am not really interested in smart *** responses, just would like some guidance. And since HPTuners or EFILive do not won't to publish customer asst phone numbers, it's kinda hard to get a feel for who will give you the most help.

 

The first investment you need to make is in a wideband AF gauge. It will allow you to monitor your AFR's from a stand-alone sensor that can be incorporated into either HP Tuners or EFI live for logging purposes. Either of those software's have the capability to control nearly all of the same parameters, and are the best tuning options available for gm. The best thing to do is start conservative with your tune and gradually adjust it. The main process for adjusting timing is to increase it until you see some knock, then just retard it a bit (this is very generalized). As far as setting up a "target AFR" or allowing the computer to control things, you can set your tune up to run in closed-loop. What this does is allows you to command an AFR of your choice in the tune. Then, as long as you are not in to boost (above 105 kpa in the table), your computer will control the fueling to your engine needed to reach your commanded AFR by allowing it to run off the fuel trims associated with the two upstream 02 sensors. So basically they determine if your mixture is rich or lean, and tell the computer to fuel accordingly.

If I were you, I would find a tuner you are comfortable with that is local to you. Take you truck to them, and have them get you on the ground with a custom tune for your truck but make sure they don't lock the tune. Then you can purchase the software that they use, and pull the tune off you truck that they made for you. From there, you can start looking through the software and the tune, and start learning and understanding how the process works. These software's are pretty extensive and can be overwhelming when you first start with them.

 

02'Z71ONDUBZ'
Thanks

 

As for not having phone number, this is because both company consist of just a few people and they are PROGRAMERS who design and make a software tuning TOOL. They are NOT tuners and if they listed phone numbers for CS, then they would never get any work done because they would be bombard with people and tuning questions. You don't go and ask the Snap On man how to rebuild a trany because he sold you the tools to do it do you?

Both companions have great CS with software related technical questions and problems. As far as tuning, that's why you should look into doing what 02'Z71ONDUBZ' said and find a tuner near you to help teach you about tuning these motors. I Hope that helps Let me know if you have any questions.

 

Here's how I did it when I switched from a 4.8 to a 6.0. I had the MP112 already on the 4.8, along with the tune from Magnacharger, and HPTuners (EFILive would probably work as well). I scoured HPT's tune repository, and found a tune for a 6.0 w/ Radix as close to my truck as possible. I then used HPT's Compare utility to find all the differences between the two tunes, and printed them out. I then went through each difference one by one, studied what it did and why it was different, and if it made sense to change that parameter in my tune, I did. It was painstaking work, but it gave me a baseline tune that would at least get me in the ballpark. Then, with the truck now running, I used a wideband and HPT's logging utility to tweak everything to my satisfaction.