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Old Aug 5, 2008 | 07:25 AM
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Both systems are proven...Don't go turbo because of IAT's, there's plenty of reasons to go turbo but high IAT's isn't the right reason. There's something not right with the combo, find that problem first then decide on whether to go turbo. However, going turbo is something Slowhawk is really really good at doing!
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Old Aug 5, 2008 | 08:17 AM
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We must have a screwed up scanner if ALL the Maggie cars we do seam to run hot.Yes,a few stock setups running the 5-7lbs run 110-120 cruising and 150-160 after a run but when they get turned up they all run hot(in my eye's).This is a basic thing with this blower and it works for what it is.

BlownChevy - don't be throwing out that I'm here to rip of dhpro.We have a problem if you think thats the way it is.In my eye's you have always been a tool and this just verifies that.

As for this truck, as Dh knows I would rather never touch the truck again and would love to see him happy with it.Obviously he is not happy with the setup and he was asking me about the turbo's.
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Old Aug 5, 2008 | 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by dhpro
I and a few others have looked thru the whole motor and can't seem to find anything other than the compression that can be causing the IAT issues. I've had the pan off and checked the bottom end, and clearances, had the heads off, milled and pistons looked fine. The exhaust is Dynatech LT's, gutted cats and true 3" duals, so there's no restriction there. Now granted I haven't redyno'd since I solved the hi-oil temp problems, and frankly that cud have contributed to all kinds of heat. Oil temps are down to normal (212-220*) and engine temps are easy 15-20* cooler (180-185*) It certainly drives better now.
I'm certainly open to suggestions! Seems that throwing more cash at this is getting old tho. By the time it gets solved I cud just have someone build me a new motor - heck I can get a crate 427 for $12k and make the same power if not more!
Dyno the truck up there and see how it does.From what we always talk about I know you won't be happy with 500-550rwhp.You seem to want power in the 600-750rwhp range which this setup won't do on that motor.This opens the door for other options.
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Old Aug 5, 2008 | 08:51 AM
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Guys pls...no stone throwing! I'd rather we all just try and help me get this working to its potential. I'm frustated, but thats cause Ispent twice my first house down payment on this paper weight so far.
All I can say is thank God for this forum, or I'd be really screwed - or maybe I shud be cursing it as I might never have gone this route and stayed stock otherwise? Either way, Brian is trying to help, SlowHawk is the only reason it even runs, and TRANNYMAN & Butch have been huge resources ironing out the bugs and giving me DeVry classes!
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Old Aug 5, 2008 | 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Slowhawk
Dyno the truck up there and see how it does.From what we always talk about I know you won't be happy with 500-550rwhp.You seem to want power in the 600-750rwhp range which this setup won't do on that motor.This opens the door for other options.
I cud live with 550! ...but dynoing here means I have to let George touch it...then it'll be back to u again! hahah
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Old Aug 5, 2008 | 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by dhpro
Guys pls...no stone throwing! I'd rather we all just try and help me get this working to its potential. I'm frustated, but thats cause Ispent twice my first house down payment on this paper weight so far.
All I can say is thank God for this forum, or I'd be really screwed - or maybe I shud be cursing it as I might never have gone this route and stayed stock otherwise? Either way, Brian is trying to help, SlowHawk is the only reason it even runs, and TRANNYMAN & Butch have been huge resources ironing out the bugs and giving me DeVry classes!
Look at BlownChevy's response. Thats not helping but saying I'm out to rip you off.Excellent help
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Old Aug 5, 2008 | 09:39 AM
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The high IAT's are weird, I am running 182kPa peak right now and my IAT's are 99-108* cruising (78* ambient) and 135* at the end of a pull. Has anyone looked at the sensor for a problem? I am certainly not any form of a mechanic but I would think the lower compression has nothing to do with the IAT's.
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Old Aug 5, 2008 | 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by trever1t
The high IAT's are weird, I am running 182kPa peak right now and my IAT's are 99-108* cruising (78* ambient) and 135* at the end of a pull. Has anyone looked at the sensor for a problem? I am certainly not any form of a mechanic but I would think the lower compression has nothing to do with the IAT's.
Is your IAT in the blower base or still before the blower?

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Old Aug 5, 2008 | 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Slowhawk
We must have a screwed up scanner if ALL the Maggie cars we do seam to run hot.Yes,a few stock setups running the 5-7lbs run 110-120 cruising and 150-160 after a run but when they get turned up they all run hot(in my eye's).This is a basic thing with this blower and it works for what it is.

As for this truck, as Dh knows I would rather never touch the truck again and would love to see him happy with it.Obviously he is not happy with the setup and he was asking me about the turbo's.
You are obviously pro turbo and if that is what you are good at then that is fine. Your dislike to make power with another type of forced induction does not make that product bad. It just means you are better with Turbo's right?

I stand by my statement that I have never seen temps as you have told everyone you are seeing in his setup. I have tuned lots of the MagnaCharger setups at everything from moderate boost levels to 15 psi. There are alot of us making between 10-15 psi with 112HH's and 122HH's right now.

Where is your IAT pulled at on your Turbo setup? The intake tubing at the MAF or even a farther position from the engine right! Pull an IAT temp from a position similar to the MagnaCharger and you will also see similar temps.

The position that the IAT is pulled on the MagnaCharger adds in a safety factor for OE applications by reading the temp of the air right outside the #8 cylinder. This ensures that one of the hottest points is used to determine IAT Timing Retard.

If in your tune you retard the idle and off idle timing too much the temps will rise on any engine. I understand that this spike in temps at this area for a turbo actually enhance the buildup of exhaust temp and velocity to create boost.

Every different type of forced induction has its place in the aftermarket. Build boost and enjoy the route you decide, there is no reason to bash another that you don't like.
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Old Aug 5, 2008 | 10:36 AM
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I would also like to know where you guys are mounting your IATs because the lower temps you guys are explaining I have only seen when the IAT was before the blower not mounted in the stock location.
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