Intercooler and what's really needed
Apr 3, 2020 | 01:13 PM
#11
Are you wanting a complete intercooler, or just a core? If you're looking for a core, I've had great luck with both CSF and Vibrant cores. The only complete intercooler I used was a Mishimoto tube and fin core intercooler with a Procharger P1SC , and my IATs would climp 60°-70° F during a 3rd gear pull on the street. When I went turbo, roughly same boost pressure and a little more horsepower, my IATs would only climb 5° F during a 3rd gear pull.
Apr 3, 2020 | 04:31 PM
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What is your price range?
The reason the more expensive intercoolers aren't more common is because they aren't REALLY needed. For the additional cost, the benefits are minimal for what most of us need. If someone does need better cooling, then its most likely cheaper and more effective to add water/meth.
Not knowing your combo and your goals, its not easy to say, but most likely a $1500 IC is not needed
The reason the more expensive intercoolers aren't more common is because they aren't REALLY needed. For the additional cost, the benefits are minimal for what most of us need. If someone does need better cooling, then its most likely cheaper and more effective to add water/meth.
Not knowing your combo and your goals, its not easy to say, but most likely a $1500 IC is not needed
^Wait, Im confused I thought you have a PD blower?
I have the "1200hp" A/W kit from Frozen Boost. Ive had it for like 8yrs, I bought it when they where $399. Its made a lot of power and dealt with 12psi for a long time. On a good night it will even be ~5* above ambient under a full pull
I dont know if it can do 1200hp, but it can do 500 no problems. They are a little more pricey now, so I dont know if the performance per dollar is worth it
Water to Air Intercooler
I have the "1200hp" A/W kit from Frozen Boost. Ive had it for like 8yrs, I bought it when they where $399. Its made a lot of power and dealt with 12psi for a long time. On a good night it will even be ~5* above ambient under a full pull
I dont know if it can do 1200hp, but it can do 500 no problems. They are a little more pricey now, so I dont know if the performance per dollar is worth it
Water to Air Intercooler
Are you wanting a complete intercooler, or just a core? If you're looking for a core, I've had great luck with both CSF and Vibrant cores. The only complete intercooler I used was a Mishimoto tube and fin core intercooler with a Procharger P1SC , and my IATs would climp 60°-70° F during a 3rd gear pull on the street. When I went turbo, roughly same boost pressure and a little more horsepower, my IATs would only climb 5° F during a 3rd gear pull.
Apr 4, 2020 | 11:50 AM
#14
There are many different cores on the market.
Even the common eBay stuff. There is many difference in fin design, fin pack, tube thickness, type of tubes.
Bar/plate are the most common. Extruded tune is another.
I have cut several cores apart over the years. The internal channels packed full of fins, to just straight tubes you see through.
Hi flow doesn’t mean it will cool well. Great cooling doesn’t mean it flows well.
It is a balance act. Most of the cooling happens in the first 6-9” of the intercooler. That’s where the inlet air to ambient air has the largest temp difference.
I feel the best design is a 12-14” total tube length, and as many as you can stack.
I look at flow area in sq. Inches.
most eBay cores in this market are 12” tall by either 3 or 4” thick. 24” wide core.
now this next match is not exact but simple and gets the point.
So let’s use the 4” one. That only gives you 48” of flow area.
Our 3” thick monster core. 23 tall 3” thick 12” tube.
that 69” of flow area.
This allows us to cool the air because more area to glow through. Less pressure drop because the tubes aren’t as long. It just Dyno’d 900hp @25psi.
We are about to swap to the 4”. See if we can pick up some hp.
Hope this helps.
Even the common eBay stuff. There is many difference in fin design, fin pack, tube thickness, type of tubes.
Bar/plate are the most common. Extruded tune is another.
I have cut several cores apart over the years. The internal channels packed full of fins, to just straight tubes you see through.
Hi flow doesn’t mean it will cool well. Great cooling doesn’t mean it flows well.
It is a balance act. Most of the cooling happens in the first 6-9” of the intercooler. That’s where the inlet air to ambient air has the largest temp difference.
I feel the best design is a 12-14” total tube length, and as many as you can stack.
I look at flow area in sq. Inches.
most eBay cores in this market are 12” tall by either 3 or 4” thick. 24” wide core.
now this next match is not exact but simple and gets the point.
So let’s use the 4” one. That only gives you 48” of flow area.
Our 3” thick monster core. 23 tall 3” thick 12” tube.
that 69” of flow area.
This allows us to cool the air because more area to glow through. Less pressure drop because the tubes aren’t as long. It just Dyno’d 900hp @25psi.
We are about to swap to the 4”. See if we can pick up some hp.
Hope this helps.
Apr 4, 2020 | 12:42 PM
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Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 137
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From: Ohio
There are many different cores on the market.
Even the common eBay stuff. There is many difference in fin design, fin pack, tube thickness, type of tubes.
Bar/plate are the most common. Extruded tune is another.
I have cut several cores apart over the years. The internal channels packed full of fins, to just straight tubes you see through.
Hi flow doesn’t mean it will cool well. Great cooling doesn’t mean it flows well.
It is a balance act. Most of the cooling happens in the first 6-9” of the intercooler. That’s where the inlet air to ambient air has the largest temp difference.
I feel the best design is a 12-14” total tube length, and as many as you can stack.
I look at flow area in sq. Inches.
most eBay cores in this market are 12” tall by either 3 or 4” thick. 24” wide core.
now this next match is not exact but simple and gets the point.
So let’s use the 4” one. That only gives you 48” of flow area.
Our 3” thick monster core. 23 tall 3” thick 12” tube.
that 69” of flow area.
This allows us to cool the air because more area to glow through. Less pressure drop because the tubes aren’t as long. It just Dyno’d 900hp @25psi.
We are about to swap to the 4”. See if we can pick up some hp.
Hope this helps.
Even the common eBay stuff. There is many difference in fin design, fin pack, tube thickness, type of tubes.
Bar/plate are the most common. Extruded tune is another.
I have cut several cores apart over the years. The internal channels packed full of fins, to just straight tubes you see through.
Hi flow doesn’t mean it will cool well. Great cooling doesn’t mean it flows well.
It is a balance act. Most of the cooling happens in the first 6-9” of the intercooler. That’s where the inlet air to ambient air has the largest temp difference.
I feel the best design is a 12-14” total tube length, and as many as you can stack.
I look at flow area in sq. Inches.
most eBay cores in this market are 12” tall by either 3 or 4” thick. 24” wide core.
now this next match is not exact but simple and gets the point.
So let’s use the 4” one. That only gives you 48” of flow area.
Our 3” thick monster core. 23 tall 3” thick 12” tube.
that 69” of flow area.
This allows us to cool the air because more area to glow through. Less pressure drop because the tubes aren’t as long. It just Dyno’d 900hp @25psi.
We are about to swap to the 4”. See if we can pick up some hp.
Hope this helps.
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