"Why is this tune better?"

"Because I said so"


Thats what all this amounts to.

Anyone have HARD data? Dyno runs / charts (two trucks of the same config, two different tunes?)

I've seen plenty of complaints and praises for ALL of these tuners. Bet we could pull in some heated complaints about nelson that I recall on LS1tech.com. Same with Westers. Same with WFM tunes.

I am not biased either way. I have the WFM tune in my rig and it feels fairly good. No experience with the other tuners (I did not have 600+ bucks to spend and decided to try the waitforme tune) Now, I feel lilke the truck has some more bottom end in it, like its running a bit rich below 3 grand but whos to say that hasnt happened with all these tuners? I know it has. I have seen the posts.

So heres my take - until someone sucks it up (cant be me, im too damn broke at the moment) and produces a comparison with numbers....until these tuners pick apart the others tunes, makes changes and then posts up "This is what they did wrong, here is what I changed, and this is why" then its ALL hub bub....

While I can agree somewhat with the statement that "you get what you pay for" I also agree with the statement that "More expensive does not always mean better"

so for those of you saying that your tune is better because you paid 500 bucks more than WFM guys did (that is, afterall, what has been said - no hard data, no dyno charts to chow changes, nothing) I have to ask - Please elaborate.

I am very interested in the other tuners but I dont have 600 bucks to "experiment" with

Maybe I should dyno my rig, save up and then send my WFM tuned PCM to Allen and see if we cant make an agreement - Pick apart this tune, tell me EXACTLY what you think was not done correctly or not optimized, re-tune it and i'll put it on the dyno. If the numbers increase over the WFM tune, I pay you. If they don't, well, I don't.

Think any of these tuners would be up for that? Then we would have data to go by instead of this "You get what you pay for" (BTW, last time I was out at a fancy steak house and paid 50 bucks for a steak, that did NOT ring true. I ended up at outback.)

 

By the way...What kind of shifting problems are folks having?

 

Well Said!!!

 

talk to one04fx4. he had a 12 second ecsb. he had a westers tune, then a nelson tune. for a long time he had (he might still have it) this exact quote in his sig. "WESTERS TUNES SUCK".

i dont have any experience with westers but im sure he has his reasons for what he says. i havent had any tunes aside from nelsons, all i can say is im 100% satisfied, and cant wait for my next tuning session

 

I've read quite a few post where ppl are saying their W4Me tune is producing slow or not as aggressive shifts as some hand helds.

 

Wait4Me tune = well said statement.......that's all you will be saying with one of those tunes!

 

Ahh....you must be an aspiring politician. Provide an answer without answering anything.

Two words, two syllables for you - Prove it!

Wheres your data? Wheres your proof?

Again its the "because I said so" argument. That argument doesnt work for anyone but a mother talking to her 6 year old son telling him why he cant do something.

Did you go heads up with another truck that was identical to yours at the track that had a WFM tune? Can I see the slips? Video?

Perhaps your ran on a dyno with the WFM tune and then the Nelson? Please post the dyno sheet.

Maybe you logged data on both tunes or perhaps did so on two different trucks and still have that log? Cool....please post it.

Now, if that comment you posted cannot be backed up with ANYTHING other than the comment itself, its riiiight between and

You cannot prove something without evidence.....hell, sometimes you cant prove anything WITH evidence but I think OJ is the ONLY example of that.....

 

I'll volunteer my truck as the test dummy

I think for a stock truck W4M is fine. Its a good bargain leaving more money for other mods. Once you go into the motor, I think Dyno is the only way to go. Nelson, W4M, Westers Thunder, FMS, who ever.
I think Jesse's (W4M) customer service is not as good as when he started, but I think he's a good tuner.

Currently I have a mail order tune from wait4me, and at the moment I have the fastest N/A 4wd on this site that has been posted on th fastest truck list. So obviously his did something right. I did some data logging, and saw room for improvement in some areas, but who's to say a mail order tund from Nelson, or westers would not have shown the same results.

I would love for someone to order a tune from Nelson, Westers, and Jesse for a bone stock (or maybe a bolton) truck without the tuners knowing about (so you just get the run of the mill tune) and put the truck on the dyno with each. Then drive with each tune for 200 or so miles, and re-dyno the truck. The proof is in the numbers.

That being said. I feel Nelson is probably great from all the raves I hear. I have heard raves about westers also. But for $150 tune, right now looks who's fastest.

 

To give Jesse a little more credit, my friend has one on his 04 5.3 lifted on 35's and could not be happier. He said his truck was a new animal after driving it. Jesse gets my vote too after numerous friends of mine have had bad experiences with Nelson in the past.

 

I absolutely agree. Something like this would lay this issue to rest and its the only way to do it.

Now, someone kindly send me $1,000 so I can order up these tunes and hit the dyno.