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Old Dec 8, 2013 | 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by roughneck427
like mentioned before just disable all evap being going in a older vehicle and when scanned monitor will show completed.


also maybe check out a Holden tune not sure if the aussies look for those things in Australia
Like I reiterated above, the DMV need to see it switch from Completed to Incomplete which WON'T happen by disabling all EVAP. You clear the DTC's and the EVAP immediately shows Completed indicating that someone has modified it.

I looked at some of the Holden stuff and EVAP is active on them as well.
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Old Dec 8, 2013 | 04:50 PM
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Nope. Don't disable EVAP. Simply set all the EVAP codes to not set. This will cause the EVAP system to get stuck in a perpetual "Incomplete" state. It won't ever complete, but at least it will look like it's trying.

Most state inspections will allow at least one incomplete system to pass. If your state requires 0 incomplete to pass, you're probably still going to have to get a not-equipped OS.
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Old Dec 8, 2013 | 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Suburbazine
Nope. Don't disable EVAP. Simply set all the EVAP codes to not set. This will cause the EVAP system to get stuck in a perpetual "Incomplete" state. It won't ever complete, but at least it will look like it's trying.
I'm confused on what to set. You only have 4 choices:
0 - MIL on First Error
1 - MIL on Second Error
2 - NO MIL Light
3 - NO Error Reported

You are required to show up with a COMPLETED status, typically by performing a "drive cycle". Then they Clear codes and want to see Incomplete. I guess what your saying is set to 2, so no MIL, but would give a "pending" status. But this won't satisfy the COMPLETED status you need initially.

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Most state inspections will allow at least one incomplete system to pass. If your state requires 0 incomplete to pass, you're probably still going to have to get a not-equipped OS.
Most states like Nevada will allow a "pending" code if scanned. But if your Check Engine Light is ON for any reason you fail in Nevada. I run all my cars / trucks in SD so there is always a "pending" MAF code when scanned, but since my MIL is not on I pass no problem.

I'm not even sure where this DMV procedure comes from. I think the guys at the inspection station came up with it themselves. Without investigating I doubt its in writing anywhere, but how do you argue?
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Old Dec 8, 2013 | 06:11 PM
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I was thinking of No Error Reported for the codes.

As far as the inspection procedure, I'm not familiar with how the different states vary, but that just sounds odd.
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Old Dec 8, 2013 | 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Suburbazine
I was thinking of No Error Reported for the codes.

As far as the inspection procedure, I'm not familiar with how the different states vary, but that just sounds odd.
3 - NO Error Reported makes the EVAP emissions show COMPLETE all the time.

Yeah, there procedure is new, like in the past 3 months or so.
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To make sure I am understanding you right. They clear the codes and want the system to not pass the readiness tests, then make it pass the readiness tests? If that is what you mean, it would be extremely time consuming, and I am sure an inspection would cost well over $100 or nobody would do them. If that is what they are doing, I would suggest to find an inspection station you can be friends with, and flash in 2 tunes. One tune that will pass the readiness tests, and one that will fail. He will be happy to find that info from you since all inspection station mechanics are gear heads too. They would have vehicles, and friends with vehicles that need to pass too.
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Originally Posted by Gadgetized
To make sure I am understanding you right. They clear the codes and want the system to not pass the readiness tests, then make it pass the readiness tests? If that is what you mean, it would be extremely time consuming, and I am sure an inspection would cost well over $100 or nobody would do them. If that is what they are doing, I would suggest to find an inspection station you can be friends with, and flash in 2 tunes. One tune that will pass the readiness tests, and one that will fail. He will be happy to find that info from you since all inspection station mechanics are gear heads too. They would have vehicles, and friends with vehicles that need to pass too.
What they're doing is trying to make sure you didn't just clear a check engine light and come in for an inspection.

Also this isn't a regular Inspection station. This is a State Referee that is employed by the state to enforce the smog laws. This person can make or break your engine swap when swapping it into an older vehicle.

The problem is the Laws can be Vague and its up to the Referee to use his judgment on whether to pass it or not.

If you can't find an OS that has that stuff removed, My advice would be to find another referee or find an area that does not require a smog check and register it there.

I noticed GM no longer sells the LS1 engine swap kit and most of there stuff is now labeled as legal for swap into a pre 1976 and older vehicle's.
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Old Dec 8, 2013 | 08:29 PM
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To make sure I am understanding you right. They clear the codes and want the system to not pass the readiness tests, then make it pass the readiness tests?
They want you to show up to the inspection (engine swap inspection to get your official engine swap cert) with ALL readiness test COMPLETE. Basically showing you have completed a full drive cycle and everything is working. They then do the visual inspection to make sure you physically have all of the new updated engine components in place. Then, the last thing they do is CLEAR the DTC's and they want to see them ALL go from COMPLETE to INCOMPLETE. They even listen for the "stumble" of the engine when you clear the DTC's. Their reasoning is to validate that the computer they are scanning is actually the computer that is running the engine. Apparently they think some people will run a "dummy" computer for emission scanning and another for the engine. I think this comes from some of the diesel piggy-back systems that are out there. You leave the inspection with your readiness tests all showing INCOMPLETE and need to do another drive cycle to get them to clear but you will have passed the inspection. You DON'T have to complete them while there since you came in with them COMPLETED.

Believe me its the most crazy thing SMOG related I've seen in a long time. And in Nevada of all places. You'd expect it maybe from California but I've been pulling my hair to find a work-around for this.
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The Honda Guys run piggy back ECU's on their engine swaps.
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Old Dec 8, 2013 | 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by 1FastBrick
What they're doing is trying to make sure you didn't just clear a check engine light and come in for an inspection.

Also this isn't a regular Inspection station. This is a State Referee that is employed by the state to enforce the smog laws. This person can make or break your engine swap when swapping it into an older vehicle.

The problem is the Laws can be Vague and its up to the Referee to use his judgment on whether to pass it or not.
You hit the nail on the head! It is up to the referee's interpretation.

Unfortunately in Nevada everything is done via County, and there is only 1 inspection station in Washoe County for Reno, NV. They have also cracked down on validating registration addresses too. You can no longer use a PO Box on your registration.
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