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Old Feb 26, 2014 | 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by rel3rd

So...why can't you tune with narrow band stock oxygen sensors again???

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In short, because your truck is essentially stock.
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Old Feb 27, 2014 | 05:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Vortec350ss
I wouldnt want to tune anything thats more than mild mods... but this is still really interesting. I'm still wet behind the ears in the tuning game, but I'm learning quick.
Me too!

I bought my HPTuners about 6 years ago for $200, to tune my old 2000 Camaro SS. Car is long gone, but I "tinker" with my truck just to try and stay somewhat current with how to use it.
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Old Mar 1, 2014 | 07:21 PM
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you should really try to rent a dyno out and try it, 12.8 AFR really dont mean you tuned for best performance my 87 truck like 12.6ish ARF got max power there my 2k z28 loved 11.4 / 11.6 AFR, my z28 made 350rwhp with a AFR in mid 12's but at mid 11's made 380rwhp

i think its really cool you guys are doing your own tuning I just dont get it I've tried to mess with my 87 since its the holley injection i have the program on my laptop but just goof it up and reload the dyno tune lol
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Old Mar 2, 2014 | 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by GMCtrk
In short, because your truck is essentially stock.
Stock tune is way off from the numbers I got, but I am sure you know that.

As already mentioned in post#4, I tuned my old Mustang using narrow bands with great results, so the "because its stock" theory is kind of a moot point in my experience. That was a Vortech YS trimmed car fwiw.

I also narrow band tuned my 2000 Camaro SS which had cam, converter and all the bolt-ons/free mods. When a local LS tuning expert dyno tuned the car it ran a best of 11.87@113 and all around drivability sucked.
Narrow band tuning it using time slips and O2 voltage readings got me a best of 11.61@116, and over 200 passes in the 11.60's, so the moral of the story is that it can absolutely be done successfully...

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Old Mar 2, 2014 | 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by stroker87
you should really try to rent a dyno out and try it, 12.8 AFR really dont mean you tuned for best performance my 87 truck like 12.6ish ARF got max power there my 2k z28 loved 11.4 / 11.6 AFR, my z28 made 350rwhp with a AFR in mid 12's but at mid 11's made 380rwhp
I'm definitely not that concerned to justify a $400 dyno session. I've driven my truck now for almost 6 years and am confident its running its best all around. Its a truck that is used as a work truck and actually tows and hauls, but has still whooped its fair share of trucks (and cars). Nothing more fun than pulling alongside one of those clowns with smokestacks and pimp slapping them with a little quiet 5.3.
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Old Mar 2, 2014 | 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by rel3rd
Its a truck that is used as a work truck and actually tows and hauls, but has still whooped its fair share of trucks (and cars). Nothing more fun than pulling alongside one of those clowns with smokestacks and pimp slapping them with a little quiet 5.3.
I love a fast truck, if you beat a car with a car oh well but if you beat a car with a truck they'll never forget it

as for the $400 dyno for me I'm not a self tuner so it make sense for me to do it, if i did my own tuning i'd do it at the track.......either way its cool to self tune..
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Old Mar 2, 2014 | 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by rel3rd

Zero changes to tune, just added the wideband kit:
Cruising at light throttle, I get A/F readings from 14.6 to 15.3+
Light to Moderate throttle, higher loads (uphill or easy passing), 13.8 to 14.7
Full lean whenever DFCO kicks in
12.8 rock steady at WOT

So...why can't you tune with narrow band stock oxygen sensors again???

Not trying to start a debate...just sharing my findings...
I guess I was just lucky as my truck's been tuned and re-tuned probably a hundred times over the last 5 years.
Are these results with the fuel trims turned off??
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Old Mar 2, 2014 | 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by AKlowriderZ71
Are these results with the fuel trims turned off??
Yes. My LTFT's have been turned off for two years or more.
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