They have to at least start with decent players. high altitude and money.

Which is why it shouldn't be allowed, it takes tons of money to cheat and cheat well enough to hide it. If we are going to allow them to cheat then the guys who are just beginning in the sport, those who have no bank roll should be allowed to get cheat loans from someone then.

 

Starting to sound like the US goverment..........

 

Dewey, he's not guilty. Meaning he hasn't been PROVED guilty of anything yet. Your already de-faming him because people are accusing him of such. And the fact of the matter is he's passed every single drug test he's ever taken in his life...what else do you want the guy to do? He takes a drug test, and then he trains, he takes another drug tests, he completes in competition, he takes another drug tests, he wins, he goes through more drug tests and he comes out clean, EVERY TIME!
If they want to catch dopers than improve the testing, or catch them in the act or imprison them for the whole racing career and force feed them a set meal...

Point is i completely agree with Lance's position, at some point you just have to move on and live life, regardless of what every whinner and cry-baby wants to accuse you of. Sports are competitve (obviously) and I think we've all played against someone when we were young that was just so much better than us that we just thought to ourselves "**** this guy's good, he's tearing us apart and it's almost as if we're not here". And at first we are awed by that person's abilities and admire their talent, however IF ANYONE claims foul play (he's doping, he was set-back two years in school and is older than us, etc...) we will want to join in the debate to make ourselves feel like there was an unfair reason why we got our asses handed to us.
It's human nature to gang up on those that are better than us in attempt to validate ourselves, regardles of the accuracy or original intent of those accusations. What's that saying about arguing with stupid people and being brought down to their level? Best thing to do is just not pay it anymore attention and continue to live your life which is what Armstrong did. He's fought it for long enough and he saw that it was gonna waste another few years of his life, his finances and defame his name in the process and he said screw-it, I have other things in life that our more important than this, take my titles and accomplishements if it means that much to you, I have other **** I'd rather be doing than to argue with you idiots.
IMO my level of respect for him has gone up, and I think the cycling industry is shooting itself in the foot for trying to criminalize it's most popular and succesful athlete.

Innocent until proven guilty....RIGHT? This is still america?

 

This isn't about Lance doping, its about the steps the USADA took to try and bring one man down.

The USADA tests, tests, and tests Lance. Passes them. BUT they STILL say he's a doper. So what is USADA saying? That testimony outweighs physical evidence? Testimony from other riders that will be given a free pass IF they testify against him? The statue of limitations is OVER for them to prove anything.


But it seems Lance's foundation AND himself as a person is doing way better. Being from Austin and knowing him personally (really not trying to name drop) I feel like this was the best thing for him to do.

The only thing they would have on Lance is a Bio-Passport testing.

 

How about now? LOL

 

He still hasn't been proven guilty of ANYTHING. here's how the USADA got this far:

1) Test Lance a lot. Never find any evidence he was doping. At all.
2) Be sure that no man could do what Lance did without doping.
3) Try again and again, and fail, despite having no standing in ANY of the cycling organizations. Read that one again.
4) Purposefully target former teammates, catch THEM dirty, and offer sweet deals to rat on LA (and think about this one guys... If LA was the ring leader of a "sophisticated" doping scheme, how come all these guys got caught dirty and Lance NEVER did)
5) Continue saying the same thing over and over, despite 1 and 3. Refuse to accept 1 and 3.
6) Rinse and repeat number 4 to build up a massive amount of "evidence".
7) Continue to raise this charge FOR YEARS, costing LA tons of money, time and stress
8) Wait for LA to say he's no longer going to defend himself
9) Release the same information that has been used over and over to NOT prove anything against LA
10) Claim victory

Sure sounds like LA is guilty to me!

 

The funny thing is they did testing on Lance and actually proved he was a freak of nature. I believe he has a slightly larger heart muscle then the average healthy person.

I forgot the actually testing that was done but the can show how the Human body is able to break down and use oxygen. I believe the average healthy person is like 18- 20% efficiency. The average athlete is is in the 21-22% Lance is above that at like 23-24%

IIRC I believe the test involved cycling on a tread mill that could change incline and rolling resistance to simulate different terrains and monitoring the vital functions. They monitored his muscle's heat out put for efficiency and were also able to see the oxygen saturation levels in the blood. They were able to determine that from his breathing techniques and test results that he was using the oxygen more efficiently and was wasting less energy.

They tested him up against an average person, a Novice rider, and another Pro rider that I believe had at least 1 tour de france win under his belt.


Such a shame that they have to go so low to tarnish some one that has done so much good in the world.

Despite the accusations and alleged witness, They haven't proven that he actually did it at the time and they can't prove that he was only able to win as a result of doing this.

I think He should just Sue them for defaming him and the damage it has done to the foundations he has started and helped raise money for.

 

that guy has ball.

 

From what others in the sport have been saying in interviews, everyone was using steroids during that time. If you weren't using steroids, you were at the back of the pack or you were never there to begin with.

Lance was using steroids just like everyone else was at the time, he was still the best in that field and arguably the best in the world. If his records have to be taken away, so does every other person who won any other cycling event in that time frame as well...or any of those broken record season Baseball has had in the past 15 years.

He did a lot of good with his charities and inspiring people, regardless of all of this and shouldn't be disgraced simply because he was trying to level the playing field to even begin.

I imagine professional level sports is actually just like this, but less intense and more covert LOL

Tommy Tiernan: Drug And Steroid Olympics at Just For Laughs Festival - YouTube

 

The doping allegations are about more than just steroids -- EPO, hGH, test, etc. Again, there is no direct proof Armstrong did any of them. Zero.