Where are you entering electricity back into the system? That is what you want your machine to produce.

Still wouldnt work, even with very low losses and drags. The energy required to operate the machine will always be higher than what you get from it. If everything is perfectly effecient and there are no losses the best you will do is break even on the energy required and energy produced, which produces no useful energy. First law says you can only convert energy, the second law says the best you can do is break even on how much energy you get out versus how much you put in (entropy = 0).

 

Efficiency is what usually kills ideas like this, not being a smart *** by any means. I have worked on ships for 24 years now and have yet to see a truly efficient generating plant. The best plants were usually the large steam plants, but you still use a lot of fuel to get a decent amount of power. Thermal loss, mechanical losses it all adds up.

This thread has been jogging some gray matter, you guys are talking about laws that I haven't even thought of for years. Keep the faith.

 

it may turn out to be an attempt at a perpetual motion device. i need to do some math. I don't disagree with you or the laws, i just need to prove or disprove the theory with math. thanks for the input man, I really appreciate it.

 

Size is a big part of keeping efficiencies good. Small household electric generators are generally on the order of 80-85% efficient, whereas huge generators at the Hoover dam for instance are near 98-99% efficient. In general bigger machines are more efficient since windage and frictional losses generally arent as big of a factor.

I give you credit for thinking outside of the box, but it doesnt sound like you have much of an engineering background. I dont mean that in a disrespectful way at all. Generally concepts such as these are discussed at length in a beginning thermodynamics class.

 

Phineas and Ferb could build you something

 

I don't work with it per-say, I'm on a fire department in a very rural area, and I just went to a class on ammonia, sounded like it was close to what you were looking for.

 

just get 47,000 hamsters and hamster wheels... have each wheel feeding a tiny generator.... and voila!..... i chose 47,000 ... be cause some will be lazy

 

thanks daryn, i would've went with 46000, but you bring up a good point. goddamn lazy hamsters.

after talking with my engineering professor, he seems to think it may be possible. trying to figure out some constants and what not to get some solid equations working.

anyone an expert on parts? specifically, I am looking for a piston type automotive AC compressor. anyone know where I can start looking for something like that?