something about stock hu's
#12
Originally Posted by RandomHero
Ok well nobody seems to really know what in the heck they're talking about(not that I really do either) so I'll add a bit of info: Stock head units don't have built in amplifiers, or if they do, they're really shitty.
Most aftermarket cd players had 4volt pre-outs and a built in 26x4channel amp.
Your speakers with the factory unit aren't being amped so they will sound crappy(even for stock speakers). If you swap in an aftermarket cd player, they will now be getting at least a small amount power to them so they will perform better than stock.
It is definantly noticeable over the stock unit.
Most aftermarket cd players had 4volt pre-outs and a built in 26x4channel amp.
Your speakers with the factory unit aren't being amped so they will sound crappy(even for stock speakers). If you swap in an aftermarket cd player, they will now be getting at least a small amount power to them so they will perform better than stock.
It is definantly noticeable over the stock unit.
speak for yourself...
most head units do not have 4v preouts... alot do, but alot have many different varying power outputs....
as for generalizing the 26x4 being standard in most aftermarket hu's makes your post even that much more irrelevant.
and to further that.... all factory head units taht do not use an external amplifier, does have an internal one.... all of our trucks do with the exception of the bose.... and yes it does suck... puts out between 1.5 to 2.5 real watts
most aftermarket head units only put out between 4.0 to 6.5 real watts.
so please do not make statements of others lack of knowledge while stating your own
DISCLAIMER: this is not intended to degrade ones confidence, or create a hostile situation...... This information is for purely informational purposes only, and should be used as so, adn to possibly knock a few off their not so technical "high horse" as it may be.
#13
Originally Posted by A$$HATWITA4.8
speak for yourself...
most head units do not have 4v preouts... alot do, but alot have many different varying power outputs....
as for generalizing the 26x4 being standard in most aftermarket hu's makes your post even that much more irrelevant.
and to further that.... all factory head units taht do not use an external amplifier, does have an internal one.... all of our trucks do with the exception of the bose.... and yes it does suck... puts out between 1.5 to 2.5 real watts
most aftermarket head units only put out between 4.0 to 6.5 real watts.
so please do not make statements of others lack of knowledge while stating your own
most head units do not have 4v preouts... alot do, but alot have many different varying power outputs....
as for generalizing the 26x4 being standard in most aftermarket hu's makes your post even that much more irrelevant.
and to further that.... all factory head units taht do not use an external amplifier, does have an internal one.... all of our trucks do with the exception of the bose.... and yes it does suck... puts out between 1.5 to 2.5 real watts
most aftermarket head units only put out between 4.0 to 6.5 real watts.
so please do not make statements of others lack of knowledge while stating your own
By all means elaborate, but go to Alpine or Pioneer's website and all their head units that a NORMAL person might buy are going to have 4volt preouts and 26x4 internal amps.
Here's a few links, so by all means, tell me where my logic is wrong:
The first alpine I checked has 4v preouts and a 50x4internal amp that equates to about the standard 26x4 rms
http://www.alpine-europe.com/typo3/i...uctcatalog_pi1[show]=features#ridercontent
Again the first pioneer I checked has 4volt preouts and a 50x4 internal amp which is rated at 22x4 rms:
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pn...tailsComponent
I think the "NO ****" factor comes into play when you say that there are other head units that don't have 4 volt preouts, but almost any modern cd player that is reasonably priced for a normal consumer is going to feature 4 volt preouts and an internal 50x4 amp.
So by all means!!! Elaborate one where my logic is faded.
Oh and I forgot to add:
DISCLAIMER: this is not intended to degrade ones confidence, or create a hostile situation...... This information is for purely informational purposes only, and should be used as so, adn to possibly knock a few off their not so technical "high horse" as it may be.
#14
I had an 02 1/2 tonner and I used a reverse wiring harness, and a regular wiring harness to power the factory speakers and run a sub from one amp. I used an Alpine 4 channel amp. I ran all for inputs from the stock Head Unit to the amp and ran them on the high side, and then I ran all 4 factory speaks from the front side of the Alpine, and bridged the 3 and 4 channels together for the sub.
The reverse harness gave me the ability to run from the head unit to the amp, and the regular harness ran from the amp to the factory speakers wiring. I didn't not cut a factory wire, and it sounded very good. I know the newer HU's can't work that way because they are wired into the BCM, or ECM or something like that.
Now I have the new style 2007 and I put that same amp and sub in it. I just tapped into the rear speakers and ran those to the amp. Hooked up the sub that way and didn't amp the factory speaks. It sounds pretty good, but not as good as the old setup.
As far as the bose systems, I think they are preamp only out of the head unit and they are externally amped. I could be wrong there, but I was thinking that was the case. If not, that might be a possiblilty. I am not familar with those setups.
The reverse harness gave me the ability to run from the head unit to the amp, and the regular harness ran from the amp to the factory speakers wiring. I didn't not cut a factory wire, and it sounded very good. I know the newer HU's can't work that way because they are wired into the BCM, or ECM or something like that.
Now I have the new style 2007 and I put that same amp and sub in it. I just tapped into the rear speakers and ran those to the amp. Hooked up the sub that way and didn't amp the factory speaks. It sounds pretty good, but not as good as the old setup.
As far as the bose systems, I think they are preamp only out of the head unit and they are externally amped. I could be wrong there, but I was thinking that was the case. If not, that might be a possiblilty. I am not familar with those setups.
#15
Originally Posted by RandomHero
How is my post wrong or irrelevant. I clearly stated that most stock head units have no amplifier or if they do it's a very small one.
By all means elaborate, but go to Alpine or Pioneer's website and all their head units that a NORMAL person might buy are going to have 4volt preouts and 26x4 internal amps.
Here's a few links, so by all means, tell me where my logic is wrong:
The first alpine I checked has 4v preouts and a 50x4internal amp that equates to about the standard 26x4 rms
http://www.alpine-europe.com/typo3/i...uctcatalog_pi1[show]=features#ridercontent
Again the first pioneer I checked has 4volt preouts and a 50x4 internal amp which is rated at 22x4 rms:
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pn...tailsComponent
I think the "NO ****" factor comes into play when you say that there are other head units that don't have 4 volt preouts, but almost any modern cd player that is reasonably priced for a normal consumer is going to feature 4 volt preouts and an internal 50x4 amp.
So by all means!!! Elaborate one where my logic is faded.
Oh and I forgot to add:
DISCLAIMER: this is not intended to degrade ones confidence, or create a hostile situation...... This information is for purely informational purposes only, and should be used as so, adn to possibly knock a few off their not so technical "high horse" as it may be.
By all means elaborate, but go to Alpine or Pioneer's website and all their head units that a NORMAL person might buy are going to have 4volt preouts and 26x4 internal amps.
Here's a few links, so by all means, tell me where my logic is wrong:
The first alpine I checked has 4v preouts and a 50x4internal amp that equates to about the standard 26x4 rms
http://www.alpine-europe.com/typo3/i...uctcatalog_pi1[show]=features#ridercontent
Again the first pioneer I checked has 4volt preouts and a 50x4 internal amp which is rated at 22x4 rms:
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pn...tailsComponent
I think the "NO ****" factor comes into play when you say that there are other head units that don't have 4 volt preouts, but almost any modern cd player that is reasonably priced for a normal consumer is going to feature 4 volt preouts and an internal 50x4 amp.
So by all means!!! Elaborate one where my logic is faded.
Oh and I forgot to add:
DISCLAIMER: this is not intended to degrade ones confidence, or create a hostile situation...... This information is for purely informational purposes only, and should be used as so, adn to possibly knock a few off their not so technical "high horse" as it may be.
HAHA DAMN TOUCHE...
I STAND CORRECTED.... IM A DUMBASS
#16
Originally Posted by A$$HATWITA4.8
HAHA DAMN TOUCHE...
I STAND CORRECTED.... IM A DUMBASS 
I STAND CORRECTED.... IM A DUMBASS 
It's all good man, I don't want to claim to know a lot about much of anything, but it's just that in my experience, almost all the big brands have all that good stuff standard now. Hell Eclipse even makes some head units with 8volt pre-outs
#17
Originally Posted by RandomHero
I hate that feeling!!! Unfortunately I know it all to well
It's all good man, I don't want to claim to know a lot about much of anything, but it's just that in my experience, almost all the big brands have all that good stuff standard now. Hell Eclipse even makes some head units with 8volt pre-outs
It's all good man, I don't want to claim to know a lot about much of anything, but it's just that in my experience, almost all the big brands have all that good stuff standard now. Hell Eclipse even makes some head units with 8volt pre-outs

THATS ACTUALLY WHERE I MISUNDERSTOOD... WAS I THOUGHT YOU SAID "ALL" HAD 4 VOLT... AND "ALL" WERE 26X4
AND I KNOW WHEN I PUT MY PIONEER HARD DRIVE HU IN MY BOAT IT HAD I THINK 6 OR 8 VOLT PRE OUTS
AND TRUST ME I KNOW THAT FEELING WAY TO WELL..... BUT HEY EVEN AT OUR WORST WERE STILL SMARTER THAN BEAU
#18
Not all Alpines have 4V Pre-Outs... Most have 2V preouts...For some reason, Alpine Refuses to use 4V preouts on their US models... Also, There is a Difference between Stock HU internal Amps and Aftermarket HU internal amps besides wattage... MOSFET sounds so much cleaner...
With an Aftermarket radio, you also get features like, HI/LOW Filters, EQ's, Time Corrections, Bass Focus, and Timing Delay... Those features alone can make even your Stock speakers sound good...
But yes, Most stock Head Units will Produce around 2-5 Watts RMS as to where a MOSFET Equipped Unit will put out close to 18 watts RMS...
With an Aftermarket radio, you also get features like, HI/LOW Filters, EQ's, Time Corrections, Bass Focus, and Timing Delay... Those features alone can make even your Stock speakers sound good...
But yes, Most stock Head Units will Produce around 2-5 Watts RMS as to where a MOSFET Equipped Unit will put out close to 18 watts RMS...
#19
I think I found the thread I've been looking for. Does anyone know the output of the factory HU of a Sierra circa 00- 02. I'd like to get some speakers as the stockers aound somewhat muffled. I have no issed with the Stock rado/ CD player, it has all the features I could want. I'd just like to get some better sounding speakers...............
Thanks...........
Thanks...........


