Wet to Dry Conversion....
Oct 23, 2008 | 06:39 AM
#21
oh, and i have my nitrous nozzle mounted in a plate i fabbed, that is attached to the end of my conical air filter...
i sort of copied a piece i saw on one of the sponsors websites... and it works very well.
thank you for your concern
i sort of copied a piece i saw on one of the sponsors websites... and it works very well.
thank you for your concern
Oct 23, 2008 | 07:34 AM
#22
CUTE.
not to start a pissing contest with you, but if you peek at my sig, you might see that i run a dry. i have done lots of homework on dry vs. wet, and chose a dry.
from what i understand, a dry nozzle can be placed anywhere in the intake tract, provided it is located before the IAT sensor, which can be moved.
the closer you get it the the TB, the harder it will hit, similar to the way a wet shot will hit. it is a fairly cheap change that many folks make when running dry kits.
now if you know a lot more than me, correct me if i am wrong here..
for simplicity, a basic kit could mount a nozzle inside of a cone type air filter, in the air box, anywhere pre MAF... but lets not say that it MUST be pre MAF, because it doesnt have to be.
not to start a pissing contest with you, but if you peek at my sig, you might see that i run a dry. i have done lots of homework on dry vs. wet, and chose a dry.
from what i understand, a dry nozzle can be placed anywhere in the intake tract, provided it is located before the IAT sensor, which can be moved.
the closer you get it the the TB, the harder it will hit, similar to the way a wet shot will hit. it is a fairly cheap change that many folks make when running dry kits.
now if you know a lot more than me, correct me if i am wrong here..
for simplicity, a basic kit could mount a nozzle inside of a cone type air filter, in the air box, anywhere pre MAF... but lets not say that it MUST be pre MAF, because it doesnt have to be.
Oct 23, 2008 | 07:47 AM
#23
Well "chevytruck" is a noob to nitrous and he just wants to run a simple kit. Ive been tryin to help him on AIM.
So on Wheatleys Custom tune that he has, he needs to spray before the MAF after Wheatly fixes up his tune for spray.
I understand how your kit is hooked up, but dont understand the idea behind just he IAT sensor?
To my knowledge if your spraying a dry shot PreMAF, not only does the IAT sense the cold air, but also more airflow? Am i wrong?
Im not arguing with you at all, just was trying to help "ChevyTruck" with the easiet kit he can.
So if he gets the whole kit that he is talkin about, Wet is goin to be the easiest.
So on Wheatleys Custom tune that he has, he needs to spray before the MAF after Wheatly fixes up his tune for spray.
I understand how your kit is hooked up, but dont understand the idea behind just he IAT sensor?
To my knowledge if your spraying a dry shot PreMAF, not only does the IAT sense the cold air, but also more airflow? Am i wrong?
Im not arguing with you at all, just was trying to help "ChevyTruck" with the easiet kit he can.
So if he gets the whole kit that he is talkin about, Wet is goin to be the easiest.
Oct 23, 2008 | 07:54 AM
#24
please tell the class_
-how does the MAF detect the nitrous?Yellow looks cool.... anyway, when you spray preMAF wouldnt it detect that it takes alot more voltate? to keep the sensors warm?
-what EXACT sensors in the MAF detect that something is different than the regular air flowing in, and trigger the ECM to spray more fuel?Them lil sensors your not suppose to touch? plus the IAT adds fuel.. possibly by the PE Modifier Based on Intake Temp? (B3641).
Plus you can pull timing with Spark IAT Table (B5911)
-How can these sensors not be moved further up in the intake tract?
-how important is a MAF in our vehicles?I dont have one anymore...
from what i understand, when tuned in SD, you can pretty much toss a MAF. also, from my understanding, the IAT sensor is what picks up the huge difference in temps when nitrous is disharged in the air intake, thus triggering the ECM to compensate through the fuel injectors spraying more fuel..
like i say, i might be wrong, but its been explained to me this way... so please 99silverado5.3, with your infinate knowledge of nitrous function... please explain it to me in a manner that i might understand.
patiently waiting ..
-how does the MAF detect the nitrous?Yellow looks cool.... anyway, when you spray preMAF wouldnt it detect that it takes alot more voltate? to keep the sensors warm?
-what EXACT sensors in the MAF detect that something is different than the regular air flowing in, and trigger the ECM to spray more fuel?Them lil sensors your not suppose to touch? plus the IAT adds fuel.. possibly by the PE Modifier Based on Intake Temp? (B3641).
Plus you can pull timing with Spark IAT Table (B5911)
-How can these sensors not be moved further up in the intake tract?
-how important is a MAF in our vehicles?I dont have one anymore...
from what i understand, when tuned in SD, you can pretty much toss a MAF. also, from my understanding, the IAT sensor is what picks up the huge difference in temps when nitrous is disharged in the air intake, thus triggering the ECM to compensate through the fuel injectors spraying more fuel..
like i say, i might be wrong, but its been explained to me this way... so please 99silverado5.3, with your infinate knowledge of nitrous function... please explain it to me in a manner that i might understand.
patiently waiting ..
Im tryin to learn something new here so no arguing.. haha
Oct 23, 2008 | 08:37 AM
#25
I haven't read or studied it like you guys have,I have been SD for so long before I even considered nitrous. But i'd imagine if you aren't SD and was using the maf, the cold nitrous would have an effect on the pcm's interpertation of calculated air. The maf works by heating a resistor (simply speaking) and the air traveling across it decreases the reading. The cold nitrous would HAVE to make it think more air is coming through in my opinion.
Then you have the obvious effects of the IAT.
If you are SD you would just use the IAT as the factor. No big deal, just would not get as much of a heavy factor into the pcm's calcualtions, therefore making larger dryshots more of a risker deal in a SD enviroment.
If i was a nitrous guy I'd go wet, less things to fail in front of your motor. Put an AFR and WOT switch (at the very least) on it and you are golden. In basic discussion of course. I understand all the other nitrous setting needs.
Then you have the obvious effects of the IAT.
If you are SD you would just use the IAT as the factor. No big deal, just would not get as much of a heavy factor into the pcm's calcualtions, therefore making larger dryshots more of a risker deal in a SD enviroment.
If i was a nitrous guy I'd go wet, less things to fail in front of your motor. Put an AFR and WOT switch (at the very least) on it and you are golden. In basic discussion of course. I understand all the other nitrous setting needs.
Oct 23, 2008 | 08:46 AM
#26
Yes, you can have the miraculous computer decide how much fuel and when.... or you can keep the wet kit and meter the fuel yourself, leaving your injectors alone as long as your pump isn't over taxed. I can't think of any advantage a dry would have over wet other than cost and simplicty 
Oct 23, 2008 | 09:54 AM
#27
" nonnieselman " -- i was in no way calling you out. i respect you and your knowledge. i have read through lots of your posts, and you are very knowledgeable.
problem for me was that 99Silverado5.3 has started several pissing contests with me, yet never backs his opinions up with facts or knowledge, he just states that he is right and i dont know what i am talking about.
i am never afraid to admit if i am wrong, but please, if i am wrong then show me where. show me a fact and knowledge of how and why i am wrong, and teach me why so i can correct myself.
problem for me was that 99Silverado5.3 has started several pissing contests with me, yet never backs his opinions up with facts or knowledge, he just states that he is right and i dont know what i am talking about.
i am never afraid to admit if i am wrong, but please, if i am wrong then show me where. show me a fact and knowledge of how and why i am wrong, and teach me why so i can correct myself.
Oct 23, 2008 | 10:35 AM
#28
" nonnieselman " -- i was in no way calling you out. i respect you and your knowledge. i have read through lots of your posts, and you are very knowledgeable.
problem for me was that 99Silverado5.3 has started several pissing contests with me, yet never backs his opinions up with facts or knowledge, he just states that he is right and i dont know what i am talking about.
i am never afraid to admit if i am wrong, but please, if i am wrong then show me where. show me a fact and knowledge of how and why i am wrong, and teach me why so i can correct myself.
problem for me was that 99Silverado5.3 has started several pissing contests with me, yet never backs his opinions up with facts or knowledge, he just states that he is right and i dont know what i am talking about.
i am never afraid to admit if i am wrong, but please, if i am wrong then show me where. show me a fact and knowledge of how and why i am wrong, and teach me why so i can correct myself.
Man if we had to teach you all that much **** we would be here all day.
JFWY lol man your trucks moving now
Oct 23, 2008 | 10:50 AM
#30
" nonnieselman " -- i was in no way calling you out. i respect you and your knowledge. i have read through lots of your posts, and you are very knowledgeable.
problem for me was that 99Silverado5.3 has started several pissing contests with me, yet never backs his opinions up with facts or knowledge, he just states that he is right and i dont know what i am talking about.
i am never afraid to admit if i am wrong, but please, if i am wrong then show me where. show me a fact and knowledge of how and why i am wrong, and teach me why so i can correct myself.
problem for me was that 99Silverado5.3 has started several pissing contests with me, yet never backs his opinions up with facts or knowledge, he just states that he is right and i dont know what i am talking about.
i am never afraid to admit if i am wrong, but please, if i am wrong then show me where. show me a fact and knowledge of how and why i am wrong, and teach me why so i can correct myself.
haha dont worry bout me man, i dont take anything personal on a forum..
Lets just forget bout "99silverado5.3" for now.
For "chevytruck", if he gets the whole kit, it would just be eaiser for him to run a 100 shot wet. As long as he gets the retune from Wheatly.
As long as your AFR/Timing is right when you spray with no lean spikes, then yea you have a good setup. And im not saying its wrong, cause obvisouly your engine is still in one peice..
Just try to give all the details next time so some noob wont try it and toast his engine.
