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Old Jan 17, 2022 | 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by 68Formula
The BTR is a 202/202 111+1 meaning 111 LSA with +1 advance. So 110 Intake Centerline and 112 Exhaust Centerline.

The Summit 8727R is a 200/205 113+4. So 109 Int. Center and 117 Exh. Center.
Thanks 68forumla, so this is something that has always confused me, since the DynoSim cam calculator seemed like it automatically filled in the intake and exhaust centerline, except it did it backwards from what you said for the BTR cam:

The program acts like you have to have intake centerline as a input variable and it greys out exhaust centerline but then it does finicky stuff when you try to edit the intake centerline, which I feel is correct because if you didn't input the intake centerline you don't know how far the advance/retard could be shifted right? So how did you know the intake centerline is 110 degrees? I would assume you took the 111 LSA and subtracted 1 degree for the advance and get 110, I mean I know you can find the exhaust or intake centerline by adding or subtracting the LSA, but you still have to know at least one of them to start with?
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Old Jan 18, 2022 | 07:57 AM
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You have to know at least 2 of the 3 (LSA/ICL/ECL) to get the 3rd. If they only tell you LSA (some cam vendors like to keep their specs very secret), you're completely guessing.

Many vendors list LSA + Advance (or Retard). So if LSA = X and Advance =Y, then ICL = X - Y
If the factory cam is ground retarded (114 - 2), then ICL = 114 - (-2) = 116, ECL = 112
Note: The early version of the BTR Torque cam was also retarded (111-1) so the ICL was 112 as you show. But a couple years ago, they released a new version which is 1* advance, so ICL is now 110).

LSA = average of ICL and ECL. So LSA = (ICL+ECL)/2.

Play with this calculator, it'll help you understand: https://www.summitracing.com/newsand...ing-calculator

Another thing to mention, a lot of head data goes from 0.500 to .600. If you only have these two inputs, the sim will linearly interpolate in between 0.500" and 0.600" head flow values when you put in the cam lift. But many factory heads peak around .550 to .570". And head flow generally behaves as a 2nd order polynomial curve. So if you can find head data @ .550, it will improve the accuracy quite a bit for cams >.500" lift. Especially the smaller duration camshafts; this can not only impact peak power, but low-end torque as well.

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Old Jan 18, 2022 | 02:39 PM
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Old Jan 19, 2022 | 09:49 AM
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I almost feel like this thread can be stickied for the 4.8 guys now. To get more low end torque & HP from your 4.8 you need to do one of 2 things. Add boost or get more cubes. Nitrous is an option to get more down low in a drag application but this question always seems to come from the guys looking for pulling power. I think this even applies to the 5.3 and 6.0. Once upon a time I got a 212/218 cam for my 6.0 hoping for more low end grunt. After research i sold the cam off and found a supercharger to put on the engine.
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Old Jan 20, 2022 | 12:32 PM
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Ive got a truck here with a stock 4.8. I'll dyno it and just what kinda power It has from 1000rpms and up.
got another 4.8 we are doing a cam in and ill be able to dyno it also to do a fair comparison
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Old Aug 5, 2022 | 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by RDF1
Ive got a truck here with a stock 4.8. I'll dyno it and............................................... .................................................. .................................................. ............
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Old Aug 6, 2022 | 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Fullpower
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We're WAITING .....
Waiting on transmission parts still...
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Old Oct 24, 2022 | 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by RDF1
I agree with the above.
larger than stock cam to make more low end power with a 4.8 isn't going to work.
in my past experiences boost is about the most simple way to add power all thru the rpms.
I use to tow alot with a stock 6.0 and turbo. It made a substantial difference at 2000 rpms. I could set the cruise control and never had it unlock the torque converter or have to downshift pulling long hills towing 6000#+
when I took the turbo off I made a short trip to tow a Suzuki sidekick with a 16' trailer and it was miserable compared to with the turbo.
What turbo were you running?
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Old Oct 25, 2022 | 12:01 AM
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S475/83 1.10A/R T4 6-8psi for DD and towing.
8psi at 2000 rpms it would chug on along and whistle.
Stock muffler and stock airbox.
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Old Oct 25, 2022 | 04:10 AM
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Originally Posted by RDF1
S475/83 1.10A/R T4 6-8psi for DD and towing.
8psi at 2000 rpms it would chug on along and whistle.
Stock muffler and stock airbox.
Thanks. Thats just the type of boost im looking for. Ideally I would like to get that kind of boost with twin turbos rather than a single.
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