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Feb 11, 2011 | 02:04 AM
#21
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This is from their site......I highlighted the warranty disclaimer....
Disclaimer
THIS END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT (the "Agreement") is anagreement between you, as the purchaser (the "Purchaser") of either the Diablo Module (the "Module") or the hand-held computer unit (the "Unit"), and as the manufacturer of the Product DiabloSport ("DiabloSport"). TheProduct and the Unit shall be referred to collectively herein as the "product"and DiabloSport Inc. shall be referred to herein as "DiabloSport".
1. Acknowledgment And Acceptance Of Agreement. If you do not agree to the terms and conditions of this Agreement, do not use the Product. Instead, promptly contact the distributor from which you purchased the Product in writing, requesting a refund of the purchase price. Any use of the Product by you will constitute your agreement to the terms and conditions contained herein.
2. Grant Of License. The parties hereto acknowledge that DiabloSport is granting a non-transferable restricted license to Purchaser to use the Product for the sole purpose of installation in Purchaser’s vehicle. DiabloSport shall retain all title, ownership rights and intellectual property rights in and to the Product. Purchaser agrees that Purchaser shall not, directly or indirectly, modify, translate, reverse engineer, decompile, disassemble, or create derivative works based on the Product. Purchaser further agrees not to permit any third parties to modify, translate, reverse engineer, decompile, disassemble, or create derivative works based on the Product.
3. Disclaimer. The Product is being sold with no warranties of any kind, express or implied. The Product is not endorsed by the manufacturer of your vehicle and there is no affiliation between DiabloSport and the manufacturer of your vehicle. Installation of the Product in your vehicle or use of the Product with your vehicle may limit or void your rights under any warranty provided by the manufacturer of your vehicle, and DiabloSport assumes no responsibility in such event. Any warranty not provided herein, and any remedy which, but for this provision, might arise by implication or operation of law, is hereby excluded and disclaimed. The implied warranties of merchantability and of fitness for any particular purpose herein are expressly disclaimed.
. Removal of serial numbers and/or alteration of product or packaging will also void all warranties.
Predator Revisions
In an effort to keep the Diablosport Predator at the forefront oftechnology, Diablosport will offer revisions to the Predator whennecessary. Updates are available via the web or you can return thePredator for a revision update. Please contact Diablosport for a ReturnMerchandise Authorization Number (RMA) and an address to ship to.Predators shipped without an RMA number clearly on the outer box willbe refused. The customer is responsible for all freight expenses.
Disclaimer
THIS END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT (the "Agreement") is anagreement between you, as the purchaser (the "Purchaser") of either the Diablo Module (the "Module") or the hand-held computer unit (the "Unit"), and as the manufacturer of the Product DiabloSport ("DiabloSport"). TheProduct and the Unit shall be referred to collectively herein as the "product"and DiabloSport Inc. shall be referred to herein as "DiabloSport".
1. Acknowledgment And Acceptance Of Agreement. If you do not agree to the terms and conditions of this Agreement, do not use the Product. Instead, promptly contact the distributor from which you purchased the Product in writing, requesting a refund of the purchase price. Any use of the Product by you will constitute your agreement to the terms and conditions contained herein.
2. Grant Of License. The parties hereto acknowledge that DiabloSport is granting a non-transferable restricted license to Purchaser to use the Product for the sole purpose of installation in Purchaser’s vehicle. DiabloSport shall retain all title, ownership rights and intellectual property rights in and to the Product. Purchaser agrees that Purchaser shall not, directly or indirectly, modify, translate, reverse engineer, decompile, disassemble, or create derivative works based on the Product. Purchaser further agrees not to permit any third parties to modify, translate, reverse engineer, decompile, disassemble, or create derivative works based on the Product.
3. Disclaimer. The Product is being sold with no warranties of any kind, express or implied. The Product is not endorsed by the manufacturer of your vehicle and there is no affiliation between DiabloSport and the manufacturer of your vehicle. Installation of the Product in your vehicle or use of the Product with your vehicle may limit or void your rights under any warranty provided by the manufacturer of your vehicle, and DiabloSport assumes no responsibility in such event. Any warranty not provided herein, and any remedy which, but for this provision, might arise by implication or operation of law, is hereby excluded and disclaimed. The implied warranties of merchantability and of fitness for any particular purpose herein are expressly disclaimed.
a. DiabloSport offers a 30 day satisfaction guarantee on all products.
b. DiabloSport products carry a 2 year warranty against defects in materials or workmanship.
i. DiabloSports liability under this warranty shall be limited to the correction or replacement of any defective part or product in question which DiabloSport determines to be necessary.
ii. Warranty freight charges are the responsibility of the dealer distributor and/or customer.
iii. This warranty is to the original purchaser and is non transferable.
. This warranty is void unless proof of purchase is submitted. Product must be purchased at an DiabloSport Authorized Dealer in order to qualify for warranty. b. DiabloSport products carry a 2 year warranty against defects in materials or workmanship.
i. DiabloSports liability under this warranty shall be limited to the correction or replacement of any defective part or product in question which DiabloSport determines to be necessary.
ii. Warranty freight charges are the responsibility of the dealer distributor and/or customer.
iii. This warranty is to the original purchaser and is non transferable.
. Removal of serial numbers and/or alteration of product or packaging will also void all warranties.
. c. DiabloSport shall not be held responsible for direct or indirect failures due to our product.
d. DiabloSport shall not credit or repair any units that are not properly restored to the original backup upon time of return or may be VIN locked.
i. VIN locked units, or improperly restored units, will be returned to customer.
ii. It is the customers responsibility to check any and all DiabloSport product to make sure the original backups have been restored to vehicles before the product shall be returned.
e. Technical Support
i. DiabloSport customers should maintain adequate knowledge of the DiabloSport product line to be able to properly sell, and to service the needs of their customers.
ii. DiabloSport will provide technical assistance and advice directly to the dealer/distributor to enable them to answer and field technical questions.
iii. It is the responsibility of the dealer distributor to handle their own technical issues with customers, and not to direct them to DiabloSport.
f. Product updates
i. DiabloSport shall inform all customers of the latest product as soon as they are available. DiabloSport will inform custo
All DiabloSport products have a satisfaction guarantee. If in the first 30days from date of purchase you are not satisfied with the results thePredator generates in your vehicle, simply restore the factory tune toyour vehicle and return the Predator to the selling dealer. Pending examination of the tool by DiabloSport, you will receive a refund fromyour selling dealer. Under no circumstances will DiabloSport accept thereturn of a Predator unit that does not have a performance tuneremaining in it. d. DiabloSport shall not credit or repair any units that are not properly restored to the original backup upon time of return or may be VIN locked.
i. VIN locked units, or improperly restored units, will be returned to customer.
ii. It is the customers responsibility to check any and all DiabloSport product to make sure the original backups have been restored to vehicles before the product shall be returned.
e. Technical Support
i. DiabloSport customers should maintain adequate knowledge of the DiabloSport product line to be able to properly sell, and to service the needs of their customers.
ii. DiabloSport will provide technical assistance and advice directly to the dealer/distributor to enable them to answer and field technical questions.
iii. It is the responsibility of the dealer distributor to handle their own technical issues with customers, and not to direct them to DiabloSport.
f. Product updates
i. DiabloSport shall inform all customers of the latest product as soon as they are available. DiabloSport will inform custo
Predator Revisions
In an effort to keep the Diablosport Predator at the forefront oftechnology, Diablosport will offer revisions to the Predator whennecessary. Updates are available via the web or you can return thePredator for a revision update. Please contact Diablosport for a ReturnMerchandise Authorization Number (RMA) and an address to ship to.Predators shipped without an RMA number clearly on the outer box willbe refused. The customer is responsible for all freight expenses.
Feb 11, 2011 | 09:32 AM
#24
Them not saying anything doesnt mean they can't read the flash counter....it counts everytime a cal reflash is done. Some dealers are more flexible than others, and unless you are in for engine or driveability work, they probably have little reason to pull the flash count. And diablosport may claim to have the best yada yada, but if they did they would have a full list of modify-able parameters like efi and hp do. My .02
And did someone say 700 for a f-in handheld, did that come with a lifetime supply of *** lube or what?
And did someone say 700 for a f-in handheld, did that come with a lifetime supply of *** lube or what?
Good tuner for someone who just wants a little extra and to monitor stuff. Ford and dodge guys can play with they're trans too. Just not GM.
And I didn't think that diablo, or any company that deals with this kind of thing, would guarantee something like will not void your warranty...if the did there would be a case....that highlighted portion releases them from anything that can happen.
I'm getting HP or EFI anyway...I can keep this to read codes or what have you...It will read any OBD II vehicle, so it's not a bad thing to have around.
Feb 11, 2011 | 10:05 AM
#25
I'm no expert by anymeans! I have just going from experience of mine and my buddies maroSS. So far no problems! If anything does happen and my warranty is voided theres an excuse for heads, cam, and blower.
Like mentioned below you have to pay in order to play.
Just because your a fan of a "custom tune" loaded in your computer thats fine.
I like have a custom tune in my handheld that holds several tunes to choose from depending on my driving style that day. PLus easy to adjust other parameters ie, tire changes, gear ratios, i know a guy same truck as mine but a bowtie same mods plus LT's and a blackbear tune. We took turns pulling on each other. they were very similar as far as perfomance. And mine gets better mpgs. It's all up to the person. Different strokes for different folks!
Also here is something else i found. Can anyone shed some light on this?
In a Consumer Alert issued by the Federal Trade Commission (FTC), the agency confirmed that “The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act makes it illegal for companies to void your warranty or deny coverage under the warranty simply because you used an aftermarket part.” The alert outlines key provisions in the law that provides protections to car owners. As defined by the FTC, an “aftermarket' part is a part made by a company other than the vehicle manufacturer or the original equipment manufacturer.”
“The FTC’s reference to aftermarket parts is equally applicable to specialty parts,” said Russ Deane, SEMA’s General Counsel. “Under the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act, the warranty cannot be conditioned to a specific brand of parts, services or vehicle modifications unless those parts or services are provided free of charge.”
The alert notes that a consumer has the right to patronize independent retail stores and repair shops for parts and service without fear of voiding the new car warranty. The dealer/vehicle manufacturer has the right to deny a warranty repair but they must demonstrate that the aftermarket part caused the problem.
The warranty remains in effect for all other covered parts.
The FTC alert may be downloaded using this link:
http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/cons...ts/alt192.shtm.
The alert was issued in response to an FTC complaint filed last August by the Automotive Aftermarket Industry Association (AAIA), Automotive Oil Change Association (AOCA) and the Tire Industry Association (TIA).
Like mentioned below you have to pay in order to play.
Just because your a fan of a "custom tune" loaded in your computer thats fine.
I like have a custom tune in my handheld that holds several tunes to choose from depending on my driving style that day. PLus easy to adjust other parameters ie, tire changes, gear ratios, i know a guy same truck as mine but a bowtie same mods plus LT's and a blackbear tune. We took turns pulling on each other. they were very similar as far as perfomance. And mine gets better mpgs. It's all up to the person. Different strokes for different folks!
Also here is something else i found. Can anyone shed some light on this?
In a Consumer Alert issued by the Federal Trade Commission (FTC), the agency confirmed that “The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act makes it illegal for companies to void your warranty or deny coverage under the warranty simply because you used an aftermarket part.” The alert outlines key provisions in the law that provides protections to car owners. As defined by the FTC, an “aftermarket' part is a part made by a company other than the vehicle manufacturer or the original equipment manufacturer.”
“The FTC’s reference to aftermarket parts is equally applicable to specialty parts,” said Russ Deane, SEMA’s General Counsel. “Under the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act, the warranty cannot be conditioned to a specific brand of parts, services or vehicle modifications unless those parts or services are provided free of charge.”
The alert notes that a consumer has the right to patronize independent retail stores and repair shops for parts and service without fear of voiding the new car warranty. The dealer/vehicle manufacturer has the right to deny a warranty repair but they must demonstrate that the aftermarket part caused the problem.
The warranty remains in effect for all other covered parts.
The FTC alert may be downloaded using this link:
http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/cons...ts/alt192.shtm.
The alert was issued in response to an FTC complaint filed last August by the Automotive Aftermarket Industry Association (AAIA), Automotive Oil Change Association (AOCA) and the Tire Industry Association (TIA).
Feb 11, 2011 | 10:20 AM
#26
The Magnuson-Moss act does state that the use of aftermarket parts cannot void the vehicles warranty without proof that said part directly caused a failure. Unfortunately the car manufacturers have teams of lawyers and engineers on the payroll and if you chose to fight a claim you would spend thousands of dollars and probably years of your time only to loose in court. Anybody who thinks GM is going to warranty a blown transmission after you have changed the tune is in for disapointment. I'm also speeking from experience.
As for the quote you posted above, It's saying that GM can't require you to use Mobil1 oil in a Corvette or ACDelco brake pads on your Suburban unless they will supply them to you for free.
As for the quote you posted above, It's saying that GM can't require you to use Mobil1 oil in a Corvette or ACDelco brake pads on your Suburban unless they will supply them to you for free.
Feb 11, 2011 | 10:50 AM
#27
GM yes....but if a tiny company like Diablo were to Guarantee a product to not void a warranty, I would bet on you being able to win that one.
Lets be honest....Most of us here don't really care too much about warranty. If I had the spare scratch kicking around I would be running an STS turbo set up tomorrow...and as parts grenaded I would add new stronger parts.
The warranty thing for me is mostly electronics...and thats gone in just over 2 years.
Lets be honest....Most of us here don't really care too much about warranty. If I had the spare scratch kicking around I would be running an STS turbo set up tomorrow...and as parts grenaded I would add new stronger parts.
The warranty thing for me is mostly electronics...and thats gone in just over 2 years.
Feb 11, 2011 | 02:20 PM
#28
I'm sure that their meaning of "aftermarket parts" means parts made to OEM standards by an aftermarket company. I highly doubt it covers aftermarket parts made to other specifications to modify the function of the vehicle.
Feb 11, 2011 | 02:34 PM
#29
When I started modding my truck with intentions of keeping as much warranty as possible, I ran across that Magnuson-Moss warranty act too. BUT what I did was assume everything directly related to my modifications was out of warranty. After forced induction, for example...intake, engine, transmission, driveshaft, differential, axles...I wouldn't count on the dealership to replace them for a second. If you turbo a vehicle and you break an axle, its not a stretch to say the extra torque caused it. But if you put a turbo on and you break a tierod, I'd say that's still covered. You can't get greedy with it, because as Robert said, its not worth it to fight their lawyers unless the stuff that was broken is obviously not related to your modifications.
FWIW, a warranty is generally covered 100% if the modification parts are from either GM or somewhere certified by GM, and the work is done at a dealership or someplace that they authorize to have the work done.
FWIW, a warranty is generally covered 100% if the modification parts are from either GM or somewhere certified by GM, and the work is done at a dealership or someplace that they authorize to have the work done.
Feb 11, 2011 | 03:30 PM
#30
I can understand that. All I'm worried about is electronics and trans. The tuner I have can't tune the transmission. Would. U think that would be an issue? Also I posted a new topic about catch cans. Could y'all shed some light on that?