We're all gonna have to do something!!
Aug 31, 2005 | 03:26 AM
#21
American lives are being spent and it's costing us a ton of money to help a little country that has plenty of oil. What's up with that? Wonder if they want to help our Country out any time soon. Maybe we should pull the troops out and send the planes back in untill we can safely plant our flag in the soil. I'll bet the gas prices would go down after that. 
Aug 31, 2005 | 05:20 AM
#22
This is probably going to make me sound pretty radical, but I would be the first one in line to sign up for a "takeover" I say we just go to the middle east and take the oil for ourselves. Do you have any idea how wealthy everyone in the US would be if our govt would just go seize the oil from the arabs? No more taxes, no more national debt, etc etc. We would be on easy street.
Aug 31, 2005 | 03:49 PM
#23
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As the comic stip character Pogo once said (and as others on this forum have already paraphrased), "We have met the enemy and he is us"
Yes, world oil production has probably already peaked, domestic refinery capacity could be improved and the rest of the world is catching up to the U.S. lifestyle (i.e., more cars & industry = increased world demand for oil).
Add unexpected catastrophies and fear to the equation and you've got a recipe for disaster. Speculation in the oil market (due to fear, opportunism & greed) has had a huge impact on the price per barrel lately. It's not because the world oil supply has suddenly and drastically shrunk.
Look at what happened to the U.S. economy after 9/11. Everyone hunkered down and the economy tanked. Was there a good reason for it? Why didn't things improve after the initial shock and sadness wore off? I think a lingering fear had a lot to do with it. Irrational fear causes behavior that precipitates all sorts of problems.
Blaming oil producers for their resulting profits due to the panic and/or mismanagement of others doesn't make sense and distracts us from the real causes of higher fuel prices.
If you expect a disaster, sometimes your actions can help make it a reality. It can be a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Yup, we're our own worst enemy. Individually, we can't influence world affairs but we can modify our personal behaviors. Don't run to the gas station to top off the tank. Drive less/carpool. Elect government representatives who aren't in it for themselves or their sponsors/contributors. Try to relax and... pray...
Yes, world oil production has probably already peaked, domestic refinery capacity could be improved and the rest of the world is catching up to the U.S. lifestyle (i.e., more cars & industry = increased world demand for oil).
Add unexpected catastrophies and fear to the equation and you've got a recipe for disaster. Speculation in the oil market (due to fear, opportunism & greed) has had a huge impact on the price per barrel lately. It's not because the world oil supply has suddenly and drastically shrunk.
Look at what happened to the U.S. economy after 9/11. Everyone hunkered down and the economy tanked. Was there a good reason for it? Why didn't things improve after the initial shock and sadness wore off? I think a lingering fear had a lot to do with it. Irrational fear causes behavior that precipitates all sorts of problems.
Blaming oil producers for their resulting profits due to the panic and/or mismanagement of others doesn't make sense and distracts us from the real causes of higher fuel prices.
If you expect a disaster, sometimes your actions can help make it a reality. It can be a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Yup, we're our own worst enemy. Individually, we can't influence world affairs but we can modify our personal behaviors. Don't run to the gas station to top off the tank. Drive less/carpool. Elect government representatives who aren't in it for themselves or their sponsors/contributors. Try to relax and... pray...
Aug 31, 2005 | 04:05 PM
#24
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From: Tulsa, OK
Originally Posted by slow.8
raise minnimum wage, sell off his stocks... something to show initiative.
Aug 31, 2005 | 05:01 PM
#26
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We need about a dozen more big oil refineries
We need to drill in Alaska
We need to build nuclear power plants
All of these things are common sense options that we could take to take some of the sting out of the situation we have in terms of energy. There are artificial barriers keeping these things from happening, all brought to you buy your friendly neighborhood know-it-all environmentalist.
We need to drill in Alaska
We need to build nuclear power plants
All of these things are common sense options that we could take to take some of the sting out of the situation we have in terms of energy. There are artificial barriers keeping these things from happening, all brought to you buy your friendly neighborhood know-it-all environmentalist.
Aug 31, 2005 | 05:44 PM
#27
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From: N. Georgia
Originally Posted by makoshark
Loud5.3, that is a very valid point, but I don`t totally agree with you. Americans are spoiled and we have been living well off of our own greed. Now, that countries such as China and India are starting to feed off our own greed, they are becoming booming industrialized nations taking away the manufacturing that we were once leaders of. Once upon a time we were the largest oil consuming nation without much competition. There were oil liners full of oil floating out in the ocean without any destination that would always come to America to unload their crude oil at a cheap cost. Those ships are gone now. We are competing on a world market now to obtain our oil. We are dependant now on relying on other countries to supply us oil due to our own greed. It is simply not cost effective to for us to be totally independant of any other country to supply our own oil. That greed is one BIG reason why we have such an influx of illegal aliens crossing our borders. Anyways, our oil refinaries that convert our oil to gasoline are a dying breed. Why? Because we have voted liberal politicians into office that have set such high restrictions on the types of polution they cause that the oil refinaries are becoming in short supply. You want to make a difference? Do it at your voting poles. Don`t sit back and say my vote doesn`t make a difference. Pay attention to your candidates running for office. Don`t pay attention to their campaign promises on whether or not you want to vote for them. Research their past history and what that candidate represents.
The Alaskan proposal would take almost 20 years to actually see the oil pumped out of the ground from there, but your liberals are keeping it from happening. I`m all about conservation, but I`m also a realist.
The Alaskan proposal would take almost 20 years to actually see the oil pumped out of the ground from there, but your liberals are keeping it from happening. I`m all about conservation, but I`m also a realist.
Oh yeah dont ever call me liberal again, or I'll take your *** to the Ocmulgee River swamp, tie you to a stump, pour soured corn over you and let the hogs do the rest. Just kidding but liberals chap my ***.
Aug 31, 2005 | 06:44 PM
#28
Just the threat of us having our own oil would force the Arabs to keep prices down, at least to us anyways.
sorry to pop your bubble but it's not the arabs that are raising the price...it's our own guys up there with the nice bonuses to keep it like this called daily comodity traders , they take fear and anything else that they can get away with right now and scare the **** out of price gouging
so if you know one..go **** in his post toasties. these traders and these tree huggers are our worst enemys right now...
sorry to pop your bubble but it's not the arabs that are raising the price...it's our own guys up there with the nice bonuses to keep it like this called daily comodity traders , they take fear and anything else that they can get away with right now and scare the **** out of price gouging
so if you know one..go **** in his post toasties. these traders and these tree huggers are our worst enemys right now...
Aug 31, 2005 | 06:59 PM
#29
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From: N. Georgia
Originally Posted by bud8fan
Just the threat of us having our own oil would force the Arabs to keep prices down, at least to us anyways.
sorry to pop your bubble but it's not the arabs that are raising the price...it's our own guys up there with the nice bonuses to keep it like this called daily comodity traders , they take fear and anything else that they can get away with right now and scare the **** out of price gouging so if you know one..go **** in his post toasties. these traders and these tree huggers are our worst enemys right now...
sorry to pop your bubble but it's not the arabs that are raising the price...it's our own guys up there with the nice bonuses to keep it like this called daily comodity traders , they take fear and anything else that they can get away with right now and scare the **** out of price gouging
so if you know one..go **** in his post toasties. these traders and these tree huggers are our worst enemys right now...
Aug 31, 2005 | 07:26 PM
#30
Originally Posted by slow.8
you`re telling me he has no power to open the reserves, no power to do anything but make succinct and negligible comments about the situation at hand.. then change the subject to foreign affairs. you want to talk unintelligible... bush is the personification of that. you`re entitled to your opinion.. but dont insinuate that im an idiot for expressing mine. kindly **** yourself... *******