ProCold Intakes
Dec 14, 2003 | 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Slowverado
it looks like it's probably a nice power improvement...i haven't seen any pics of it installed on a truck like our's on that thread yet but i'm still reading/looking. honestly i would NEVER pay that much for what you get for it. i am though thinking i might go to an exhaust shop and see about having something made there out of 4" mandral bends/pipe and a flat piece of alum for the bolt down and a cone filter. it would do the same thing, get rid of the stock tube, and look SWEET once sanded (welds) and painted or powdercoated. i'm gonna look into building one this week.
jim
Dec 14, 2003 | 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Slowverado
it looks like it's probably a nice power improvement...i haven't seen any pics of it installed on a truck like our's on that thread yet but i'm still reading/looking. honestly i would NEVER pay that much for what you get for it. i am though thinking i might go to an exhaust shop and see about having something made there out of 4" mandral bends/pipe and a flat piece of alum for the bolt down and a cone filter. it would do the same thing, get rid of the stock tube, and look SWEET once sanded (welds) and painted or powdercoated. i'm gonna look into building one this week.
Dec 14, 2003 | 04:21 PM
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the AEM intake does the same thing... removes the lower mounting plate, puts a shield in between the engine and filter....
but it uses a straight pipe, without having to use the stock one with the noise dampener....
but it uses a straight pipe, without having to use the stock one with the noise dampener....
Dec 14, 2003 | 09:25 PM
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Those runs had been done when it was in the high 90's in AZ so the gains would be much higher than any under the hood intake or stack intake used for a baseline. The idea they have is to get the coldest air posb. and they do but the design they have.
I did get 19 HP out of mine but it was in the fall with temps being in the 70’s – still kinda warm here in IL. Read the letter I got from ProCold below. They get or save you more power when its hot out so it will be close but still better to other intakes when it is cooler out. The 28 HP came from runs done in the high 90’s (as explained below) which would give the ProCold a huge advantage to the high temps under the hood and other intakes placed there.
I think mine does way better than a Volant as I have my old one for sale now – they are better than AEM, Airraid or Volant because they are not under the hood.
They mount right in the stock location and connect right up to the stock MAF in its stock location,
ProDyno is just a reseller for them now as ProCold is its own company their site is www.procold.net here is the letter I got explaining why they get more
LETTER:
FYI – we took off our higher horsepower dyno sheets because people are focusing in on the great gains our intakes are capable of and not the average or expected results. You ”could get” the same numbers very easily.
Our vehicle was stock, it was tested in the high 90’s and this vehicles performance ability as any, can vary from other vehicles.
We also picked a number “28 HP” and yes we did use “upto” in our advertising as it represents a possible gain under the right conditions and obviously depending on the vehicles modifications and also the possible variance in vehicles own performance ability as that varies.
Every stock automobile will test different if even just a bit and those automobiles will also show different results in different times of the year and testing conditions. Lets take Arizona for example in the winter our ProCold intake baseline tests on our in house dyno show closer runs to any runs with gains than if we were to do the same in the middle of June when it is in the 90’s out here. Those summer runs produced “even more power” because our intakes are removed from the under hood area and the extreme conditions the summer heat provides.
We have found that high under hood temps make a huge difference with our intakes advantage over some others as our intakes/ air filters are not under the hood at all. Having said that our gains then also drop “as other intake Mfr’s” in the winter as all things are then equalized a bit by the elements and the temps under the hood not being so severe. As it does get hot/ warm under the hood in the middle of winter months the heat is not magnified or increased as much by the summer elements. The under the hood temps are far higher on a sunny day in the 90’s than they are in the middle of the winter.
Its not that in the summer our intakes produce more then in winter months – they don’t they just don’t let your engine loose as much as those intakes under the hood. As the heat rises intakes that are under the hood are subject to higher heat then our intakes and in turn give you less HP. So we are not giving you more HP in the summer or hot months of the year but we are saving you more HP. All intakes sold have a hard time making more power in the heat ours just maximize your opportunity to get the coldest air possible by not being under the hood and hence give you more power. We will call the winter months the “great equalizer” for intakes as the climate and elements dictate such under the hood temps are not as drastic as they are in the hot sunny summer months under the hood thus making all gains more advantageous.
A suggestion for those being interested about any company’s claims to HP “not just ours” is read other company disclaimers, fine print, label, website or in some cases you may have to call as they wont print it.
The fact is company’s use those terms like "upto" as a marketing tool and also a way of protecting themselves, nobody wants unhappy customers or to produce unreasonable expectations or false claims or litigation if it can be avoided.
Almost every car manufacture now selling new cars advertises (this car) “starting as low as” or they show the lowest price and a disclaimer saying “starting from” or “starting at”
Another suggestion is to do runs of a baseline and modification dyno run in the winter under the cold conditions and the again in the summer under the severe heat using both your stock intake for a basline and any other after market intake for your modifacation run. This will give you a comparison to what modifications can achieve for you with varying elements or environments. Any car that sits in the sun in the summer will have a higher heat register under the hood which in turn yields higher intake air temps.
We ran our truck in June of this year to achieve those numbers and it was in the high 90’s – the reality is that our intakes do better because they are not effected by the under the hood temps.
By design our intakes are not in a box or bordered off by a plastic wall and some foam to seal it under the hood in a separate area. All of these are subject to higher heat as they all still reside under the hood and in turn can lower the optimal/ potential performance.
Our intakes do not allow for any greater consumption of air volume other than that of which is physically possible by the vehicle it self.
We try to approach everything differently here, we do not intend to say every vehicle will make 28 RWHP as some tests have given 19HP and even 21HP, on the same model truck 2003 5.3 Chevy Silverado.
What we are willing to say is we feel based on our tests and customers tests that our intakes will give you “UPTO” 28 RWHP even though we have seen more. The “UPTO” is depending on testing conditions, the vehicles current modifications and the vehicles performance ability as it varies form vehicle to vehicle.
We build a great product and being out of the box and not under the hood we can provide you with better results.
As others in your forum who have our ProCold intakes to testify if thay are happy with their intakes or not?
ProCold.
I did get 19 HP out of mine but it was in the fall with temps being in the 70’s – still kinda warm here in IL. Read the letter I got from ProCold below. They get or save you more power when its hot out so it will be close but still better to other intakes when it is cooler out. The 28 HP came from runs done in the high 90’s (as explained below) which would give the ProCold a huge advantage to the high temps under the hood and other intakes placed there.
I think mine does way better than a Volant as I have my old one for sale now – they are better than AEM, Airraid or Volant because they are not under the hood.
They mount right in the stock location and connect right up to the stock MAF in its stock location,
ProDyno is just a reseller for them now as ProCold is its own company their site is www.procold.net here is the letter I got explaining why they get more
LETTER:
FYI – we took off our higher horsepower dyno sheets because people are focusing in on the great gains our intakes are capable of and not the average or expected results. You ”could get” the same numbers very easily.
Our vehicle was stock, it was tested in the high 90’s and this vehicles performance ability as any, can vary from other vehicles.
We also picked a number “28 HP” and yes we did use “upto” in our advertising as it represents a possible gain under the right conditions and obviously depending on the vehicles modifications and also the possible variance in vehicles own performance ability as that varies.
Every stock automobile will test different if even just a bit and those automobiles will also show different results in different times of the year and testing conditions. Lets take Arizona for example in the winter our ProCold intake baseline tests on our in house dyno show closer runs to any runs with gains than if we were to do the same in the middle of June when it is in the 90’s out here. Those summer runs produced “even more power” because our intakes are removed from the under hood area and the extreme conditions the summer heat provides.
We have found that high under hood temps make a huge difference with our intakes advantage over some others as our intakes/ air filters are not under the hood at all. Having said that our gains then also drop “as other intake Mfr’s” in the winter as all things are then equalized a bit by the elements and the temps under the hood not being so severe. As it does get hot/ warm under the hood in the middle of winter months the heat is not magnified or increased as much by the summer elements. The under the hood temps are far higher on a sunny day in the 90’s than they are in the middle of the winter.
Its not that in the summer our intakes produce more then in winter months – they don’t they just don’t let your engine loose as much as those intakes under the hood. As the heat rises intakes that are under the hood are subject to higher heat then our intakes and in turn give you less HP. So we are not giving you more HP in the summer or hot months of the year but we are saving you more HP. All intakes sold have a hard time making more power in the heat ours just maximize your opportunity to get the coldest air possible by not being under the hood and hence give you more power. We will call the winter months the “great equalizer” for intakes as the climate and elements dictate such under the hood temps are not as drastic as they are in the hot sunny summer months under the hood thus making all gains more advantageous.
A suggestion for those being interested about any company’s claims to HP “not just ours” is read other company disclaimers, fine print, label, website or in some cases you may have to call as they wont print it.
The fact is company’s use those terms like "upto" as a marketing tool and also a way of protecting themselves, nobody wants unhappy customers or to produce unreasonable expectations or false claims or litigation if it can be avoided.
Almost every car manufacture now selling new cars advertises (this car) “starting as low as” or they show the lowest price and a disclaimer saying “starting from” or “starting at”
Another suggestion is to do runs of a baseline and modification dyno run in the winter under the cold conditions and the again in the summer under the severe heat using both your stock intake for a basline and any other after market intake for your modifacation run. This will give you a comparison to what modifications can achieve for you with varying elements or environments. Any car that sits in the sun in the summer will have a higher heat register under the hood which in turn yields higher intake air temps.
We ran our truck in June of this year to achieve those numbers and it was in the high 90’s – the reality is that our intakes do better because they are not effected by the under the hood temps.
By design our intakes are not in a box or bordered off by a plastic wall and some foam to seal it under the hood in a separate area. All of these are subject to higher heat as they all still reside under the hood and in turn can lower the optimal/ potential performance.
Our intakes do not allow for any greater consumption of air volume other than that of which is physically possible by the vehicle it self.
We try to approach everything differently here, we do not intend to say every vehicle will make 28 RWHP as some tests have given 19HP and even 21HP, on the same model truck 2003 5.3 Chevy Silverado.
What we are willing to say is we feel based on our tests and customers tests that our intakes will give you “UPTO” 28 RWHP even though we have seen more. The “UPTO” is depending on testing conditions, the vehicles current modifications and the vehicles performance ability as it varies form vehicle to vehicle.
We build a great product and being out of the box and not under the hood we can provide you with better results.
As others in your forum who have our ProCold intakes to testify if thay are happy with their intakes or not?
ProCold.
Dec 15, 2003 | 03:17 AM
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ALL that letter shows is that they tested the intake on a truck sometime after the turn of the century and it made more power. they are so vague i their wording in that letter. "upto 28" "we just picked a number" come on. i doubt if these things are really worth 12rwhp over stock since they use the stock tube (which is much of the restriction in the stock setup) i'll have something nice made up shortly for you guys that are eager to have a bad *** intake. just be patient.
