Need some honest opinions
Jun 1, 2005 | 06:59 PM
#21
Thread Starter
12 Second Truck Club
iTrader: (5)
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 5,230
Likes: 5
From: Sittin on jackstands
Originally Posted by quicksilverado
Street tune is when you drive the vehicle on the road and do the tuning vs tuning on a dyno. If you are only 15 minutes from Futral you would be crazy to go anywhere else. Alan will tune the truck until he is happy with it and you won't be dissapointed.
Thanks. I think that makes my decision. I dont know too many people that have messed with Futral, but that kind of clears it up. Its too late to call, but do you have any idea what he charges?
Jun 1, 2005 | 08:22 PM
#22
Originally Posted by SierraCrew
I will add though, and this is just an example of something I read in GMHTP or one of the chevy mags. There was a silverado SS that had a radix install done on it. This was the magazine that was doing the buildup if I recall and they contacted 2 seperate tuners for the install. PCMforLess which was in the same city as the buildup and Nelson. PCMforLess did a true dyno tune for the SS and Nelson did a site unseen mail order tune. They installed both and performed comparison tests for both tuners on the dyno. I can't remember the numbers put out, but Nelsons tune produced 1 HP less than the dyno tune from pcmforless. Pretty impressive in my opinion.
I have that Mag and it's CHP (Chevy High Performance) and Allen's mail order tune was 1 tenth and 1 MPH off from the PCMforLess hands on tune. And I'm sure this was before Allen's tune had enough time to "wake up". But hey if I was in your shoes I would do TR's dyno tune then have them street tune it to my liking. I went to Allen as I always do because of his reputation and also because he's only about 2.5 Hrs away. Even when he dyno tuned mine we still went out to street tune it to see how it would pull it's own weight around and we ended up changing a few things on his suggestion and I couldn't be more happy w/ it...Zed
Jun 1, 2005 | 08:41 PM
#23
Banned
iTrader: (4)
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 5,151
Likes: 1
From: From Houma La. Living n Ellisville Miss.
Originally Posted by white1
I was kind of leaning toward the Nelson also, but was wondering how much better he is? Also live about 15 mins from both Futral and Thunder, and think a dyno tune would be the best, but was wondering if Nelson or someone else's mail order would be able to compete with a dyno tune. That way I could save some $$$ for............? 
THINGS AND 12SEC5.3 ASK TO CHECK HIS SO I DID HE WAS GET 22* FOR TIMEING AND I THINK IT WAS 3 OR 4* OF KR.ON THE OTHER HAND I WAS RUNNING 36* AN NO KR,THEN WENT TALK TO ALLEN TOLD HIM TO MOVE UP TIMEING A LITTLE HE SAID IT WOULD NOT WORK FINALLY MOVED UP TIMEING I THINK 2* AND DROP LITTLE OVER A TENTH.NOT TRYING TO BAD MOUTH NO BODY HE MIGHT HAVE CHANGED HIS WAY OF TUNING.
NO OFENSE GUYS BUT I JUST COULD NOT BRING MY TRUCK ANYWHERE ELSE BUT THUNDER
Jun 1, 2005 | 08:51 PM
#24
Thread Starter
12 Second Truck Club
iTrader: (5)
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 5,230
Likes: 5
From: Sittin on jackstands
Yea I know 12sec5.3, I didn't know he had problems with his tune. Been a while since I talked to him in person though. I had heard thunder had pretty much a generic tune they used with just about everyone. Now I'm all confused again.
You think a streed tune would be just as good as a dyno if the tuner is riding with you and can make changes till he gets it right?
You think a streed tune would be just as good as a dyno if the tuner is riding with you and can make changes till he gets it right?
Jun 1, 2005 | 08:52 PM
#25
Thread Starter
12 Second Truck Club
iTrader: (5)
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 5,230
Likes: 5
From: Sittin on jackstands
Originally Posted by litreddevil
IF YOU CAN GET THE DYNO I WOULD GOOD TO THUNDER ASK 12SEC5.3 AT THE FISRT THUNDER SHOOT OUT I HAD A TECH 2 AND WAS CHECKING A FEW
THINGS AND 12SEC5.3 ASK TO CHECK HIS SO I DID HE WAS GET 22* FOR TIMEING AND I THINK IT WAS 3 OR 4* OF KR.ON THE OTHER HAND I WAS RUNNING 36* AN NO KR,THEN WENT TALK TO ALLEN TOLD HIM TO MOVE UP TIMEING A LITTLE HE SAID IT WOULD NOT WORK FINALLY MOVED UP TIMEING I THINK 2* AND DROP LITTLE OVER A TENTH.NOT TRYING TO BAD MOUTH NO BODY HE MIGHT HAVE CHANGED HIS WAY OF TUNING.
NO OFENSE GUYS BUT I JUST COULD NOT BRING MY TRUCK ANYWHERE ELSE BUT THUNDER
THINGS AND 12SEC5.3 ASK TO CHECK HIS SO I DID HE WAS GET 22* FOR TIMEING AND I THINK IT WAS 3 OR 4* OF KR.ON THE OTHER HAND I WAS RUNNING 36* AN NO KR,THEN WENT TALK TO ALLEN TOLD HIM TO MOVE UP TIMEING A LITTLE HE SAID IT WOULD NOT WORK FINALLY MOVED UP TIMEING I THINK 2* AND DROP LITTLE OVER A TENTH.NOT TRYING TO BAD MOUTH NO BODY HE MIGHT HAVE CHANGED HIS WAY OF TUNING.
NO OFENSE GUYS BUT I JUST COULD NOT BRING MY TRUCK ANYWHERE ELSE BUT THUNDER
I heard the 99's had a big problem with kr. Could this be some of the problem 12sec5.3 was having?
Jun 1, 2005 | 09:15 PM
#26
TECH Veteran
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 4,534
Likes: 3
From: Las Vegas, NV
even the best tuner out there can't always get the tune dead on from a few hundred miles away. i've personally fixed a few issue's someone has had with their quite often pricey tune that could have only been fixed properly with a wideband and logging software. thunder racing without a doubt know's there way around gen III performance. i'd trust them for sure.
Jun 1, 2005 | 10:22 PM
#28
Like I said before, its all about who you feel comfortable going to. You really need to call and talk to the guys and see what they offer in tunes. Customer support, re-tunes, dyno/street tunes, and how aggressively they will tune and the ability for future mods should all weigh in your decision. I have heard nothing but good things about both Futral and Thunder so either way you should be good. I do have to agree that in most cases street/dyno tunes are the way to go, especially if they are close to you. You have to think that if you ever do any future mods how available it will be to get your tune updated.
Jun 2, 2005 | 11:44 AM
#29
Im not knocking anyone but since you are doing a cam even if its a mild one I wouldnt even take a chance with a mail order tune. You live very very close to Thunder Racing-enough said and you are also very close to Futral-dont get a mail order tune please. Pm 99SilverdoSS he has a Futral dynotune and he swears by it.
Jun 2, 2005 | 12:59 PM
#30
Let me say this .. I've tuned on some mail order tunes, and they were NASTY! Lots of KR. I didn't feel comfortable enough to even open it up, it was that bad! I'm not saying whose mail order it was, but it wasn't Nelson's. With Thunder and Futral that close, I just think you would be a fool not to visit someone close to you. Thunder and Futral both have been into LS1's for some time now and have more than enough experience to be deemed competant.