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Old 10-05-2008, 12:07 PM
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Default Considering swapping to a smaller cam, new Cam specs inside...

Well I have been toying with the idea of moving to a smaller cam. Here is my current cam

Comp XE Lobes
220/220 .564/.564 @ 114+4
This gives me a -8* overlap with a DCR of 7.50

I believe the combination of low DCR and the 4.8 is the problem...

After playing with some calculators this is what I came up with...

Comp XE Lobes
210/218 .556/.563 @ 110+4 or 111+4

Option #1
The 110+4 will give me -6* overlap with a DCR of 8.02
Heads milled .020 SCR of 10.1 and DCR of 8.41

Option #2
The 111+4 will give me -8* overlap with a DCR of 7.96
Heads milled .020 SCR of 10.1 and DCR of 8.35

The reason for the 2 different LSA and ICL configurations is to get the overlap close to what I have now, which I don't have any real problems with idle... Both cams should have a little lope I think option #1 should really wake the little 4.8 up, plus I have a 2800 9.5" converter on the way...

So what do you think??
Old 10-05-2008, 12:11 PM
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sounds like you have a lot of time to think about all this. lol #1 should help out some I would think. What are you not liking about the 220?
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Originally Posted by southern_chevy
sounds like you have a lot of time to think about all this. lol #1 should help out some I would think. What are you not liking about the 220?
Mainly the part throttle TQ... I drove a friends 5.3 yesterday with basically the same mods as mine but he does not have a cam and his truck was really smooth and the part throttle TQ/acceleration was really nice... The top end is nice on my current cam but I have to rev the crap out of it... Mainly looking for more power under the curve...
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You have some reading to do...........

http://www.wighat.com/fcr3/camtruth.htm
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Originally Posted by hirdlej
You have some reading to do...........

http://www.wighat.com/fcr3/camtruth.htm
Could you be a little bit more descriptive on what I choose that was wrong? Cause IMO the link you posted was rather general principals and did not discuss what I wanted to change or the effects of what I wanted to change...

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These are a few of the articles I read while researching....

http://www.hotrod.com/pitstop/hrdp_0...ion/index.html

By changing certain cam parameters, it's possible to bleed off cylinder pressure on the bottom end, decreasing fuel octane sensitivity, even though its static compression ratio remains unchanged. The actual cylinder pressure an engine sees is often referred to as dynamic compression, because (unlike the static built-in compression ratio) it changes dynamically according to camshaft variations. The most important of these variations is the intake closing point, because it extends beyond BDC into the compression stroke. Closing the intake later aids top-end power at the expense of low-end torque. Down low, where the engine is most likely to detonate, the late intake closure bleeds off cylinder pressure, effectively dropping the dynamic compression ratio.
http://cochise.uia.net/pkelley2/DynamicCR.html
Changing the ICL changes the DCR. Retarding the cam delays intake closing and decreases the DCR. Advancing the cam causes the intake valve to close earlier (while the pistons is lower in the cylinder, increasing the sweep volume) which increases the DCR. This can be used to manipulate the DCR as well as moving the torque peak up or down the rpm range.
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A good approach when building an engine is to determine the duration and LSA needed for the desired RPM range. Once this is know, manipulate the chamber size and piston valve reliefs (and sometimes the cam advance) to provide a DCR around 8.2:1. Now that the correct piston volume and chamber size is know, enter the actual crankshaft stroke in your CR calculator to see what static CR to build to. Often the needed SCR is higher that you would expect. Note: The quench distance (piston/head clearance) should always be set between .035" and .045" with the lower limit giving the best performance and detonation resistance.

Alternatively, with the SCR known, manipulate the cam specs until a desirable DCR is found. When the best intake closing time is derived, look for a cam with that intake closing timing, that provides the other attributes desired (LSA and duration). Often times the best cam is smaller than one might expect. Sometimes a CR change is needed to run a cam with the desired attributes.
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looks like your headed in the right direction to me, the other day i was cruisin with 00silv4.8 and he has a cam thats a little bigger than yours(221/221) not sure on the other specs.
But off the line and at lower speeds i could pull away fast, but from a 60 roll he would pull on me and i couldnt catch up.

I think your headed in the right direction, and a stall will really help too.
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i suggest using the 110+4 but on the XE-R lobes to get more air in sooner

my current cam has 4* of overlap and the cam ill be ordering soon will have a 16* overlap

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COMP # G3 XFI 261 HR15 --- 208/212 .554/.558 on a 112 IMO
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You're on the right track. I like the 111 +4. You'll have a good jump in DCR either way, the 111 should sustain the torque a little farther into the RPM band (than a 110 LSA) correct? Will either of these fit no problem PTV clearance?


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