Broken 80e!
Jul 17, 2011 | 07:13 PM
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So, putting all this together gets me to this theory...
-snap ring is put in the wrong spot
-snap ring misplacement allows it to rotate in its groove, causing the clicking noise
-wrong ring allows the intermediate drum to move around (from what I gather)
-movement cracks o-ring on intermediate piston
-cracked o-ring bleeds off intermediate apply pressure, preventing 2nd gear clutches from engaging
-forward clutches and intermediate band take all the 2nd gear abuse without intermediate clutches applied, and all of the above burn up
-constant forward clutch slip causes fluid to overheat
-clutch slip combined with 3000rpm stall converter makes it stall to 3500 out of boost and makes me think Circle-D sent the wrong converter...still wondering about that one
How's that sound?
-snap ring is put in the wrong spot
-snap ring misplacement allows it to rotate in its groove, causing the clicking noise
-wrong ring allows the intermediate drum to move around (from what I gather)
-movement cracks o-ring on intermediate piston
-cracked o-ring bleeds off intermediate apply pressure, preventing 2nd gear clutches from engaging
-forward clutches and intermediate band take all the 2nd gear abuse without intermediate clutches applied, and all of the above burn up
-constant forward clutch slip causes fluid to overheat
-clutch slip combined with 3000rpm stall converter makes it stall to 3500 out of boost and makes me think Circle-D sent the wrong converter...still wondering about that one
How's that sound?
Jul 19, 2011 | 01:53 PM
#102
Personally I'd ditch the kolene steels...go with stock Borg Warner High Energy clutches and stock steels. They are good to over 1200ish hp with the right builder.
Problem with kolene steels are they slide too much, instead of gripping.
Problem with kolene steels are they slide too much, instead of gripping.
Jul 20, 2011 | 06:53 PM
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Jul 20, 2011 | 10:49 PM
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Another carnage report...
I asked the dude who is helping me with the transmission about that...he agrees that the stock clutches are just as good as the reds. But only until the fluid heats up. After that the red altos show their ability over the stockers.
My interpretation of this is that the reds maintain a higher coefficient of static friction under the added load of a race application, which heats up the transmission fluid a lot more. Nobody would put them in their transmissions, much less manufacture those clutches if they were utterly useless
I asked the dude who is helping me with the transmission about that...he agrees that the stock clutches are just as good as the reds. But only until the fluid heats up. After that the red altos show their ability over the stockers.
My interpretation of this is that the reds maintain a higher coefficient of static friction under the added load of a race application, which heats up the transmission fluid a lot more. Nobody would put them in their transmissions, much less manufacture those clutches if they were utterly useless
Jul 20, 2011 | 11:31 PM
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Bottom line is there is nothing to lose with going with the aftermarket clutches, only to gain.
Jul 21, 2011 | 10:23 AM
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I certainly don't proclaim to be an expert. But as I said before, no two people I have talked to about this have agreed on what the problem was or how it should have been fixed. Someone saying I should have done different is really no surprise.
