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Old Apr 25, 2014 | 01:02 PM
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I will be putting the pump in in the next couple weeks so I will let you know how it goes
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Old May 1, 2014 | 09:16 PM
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so I have returnless when upgrade bigger pump what would I do with regulator in pump since I want boost on my 06 Silverado. Can you share with me this experience?
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Old May 1, 2014 | 09:27 PM
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Leave it, youll just need to compensate for the lack of pump with extra big injectors.

This is of course assuming you dont want to convert to a return-style.
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Old Oct 2, 2014 | 11:37 PM
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This last part confused me. Yes it's old, but Idc. So your saying to stay return less and toss a 450 in with 80lb injectors and should be good for around 700-800hrsp?
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Old Oct 3, 2014 | 07:55 AM
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With 80lb injectors and a walbro 450 assuming max of 20psi of boost:

Returnless, base pressure set to 58psi -Injectors flow 315 l/hr and pump is 380 l/hr so you are injector limited and 315 l/hr is about 720rwhp.

Return, base pressure at 58 - Injectors flow 385 l/hr and pump flows 328 l/hr so you are pump limited and 328 l/hr is about 750rwhp.

For comparison, with a return setup with dual walbro 400s - Injectors are 385 l/hr but pumps are 571 l/hr so you are injector limited and 385 l/hr is about 883 rwhp.

Same setup with returnless and you are still injector limited, just like with a single 450. So with a reutnless setup it is not useful to have huge pumps because you will mostly always be injector limited.

I used this spreadsheet I made to figure this all out: https://www.performancetrucks.net/fo...p-flow-510434/
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Old Oct 3, 2014 | 08:11 AM
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I think he is more confused by the fact that you want to run a 450 in the returnless system. What do you have to do in order to accomplish that?
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Old Oct 3, 2014 | 08:56 AM
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Just replace the stock pump with it...

Only 2 connections; fuel output and electrical. Connect the hose to the regulator and connect the wires. I recommend upgrading the wiring connections to 12ga or better.
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Old Oct 3, 2014 | 09:28 AM
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And you're saying that wont overpower the stock FPR in a returnless system?
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Old Oct 3, 2014 | 09:56 AM
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I dont know, maybe a little, but thats really not a huge deal as long as its consistent. Its not near as dreadful as everyone makes it seem, its just like having the regulator set to a higher pressure.
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Old Oct 4, 2014 | 12:18 AM
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FYI my stealth 340 over powered my stock FPR
I went to a return system
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